1990-p roosevelt dime wam???

I would like to know if there is such a thing as a roosie WAM? I have two 1990-P's that are clearly wide A M's even though my scanner shots aren't the greatest. I cannot find any others in previous or post years so far. Does anyone know anything about this? THANKS PHOTOS TO COME UPON ASKING.

 

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zeke:
I am sure that someone will come along with a better answer, but I never heard of it.

 

That a new one on me too!

 

Thanks Frank. I don't have much hope that this is anything much but I'd just like to find out to satisfy my curiosity. Here are some scans of the two 1990-P's. here is one of them:

 

Here is number 2:

 

Wide does not apply to anything other than cents.

Wide does not apply to anything other than cents that I am aware of - the Lincoln cent dies we have studied and we know but I am not sure anyone would even care about Roosevelt's.
The dimes you show also do not seem to have the features as the cent - on the cent not only is there space, the wide AM but the surrounding letters are squared off as like a proof with raised letters, very distinctive.

 

Why wouldn't anyone care about Roosevelts' ?

 

Because the wide am issue is a Lincoln Cent study at

Because the wide am issue is a Lincoln Cent study/issue at this point as far as I know - this thread seems to be a crossover type inquiry. We have proof dies that struck business strikes for Lincolns and Business strike dies that struck proofs - I'm not at all certain (and doubt) this data is transferable to another coin denomination - it rarely is if ever the case. That combined with the lack of sharp devises (in those dime pics) that always occur on wide am's just leaves me with ?????
Often newcomers find things that are perfectly explainable to old-timers but seem to intrigued new folks and it turns out they are transferring data not meant to be transferred, in other words many new folks look way to close at the wrong coin.
Plus it's a Roosevelt, I mean if you don't get my drift then you don't.
If someone want to do die studies on Roosevelt wide am's I'm pretty sure the field is wide (as in wide am) open and may be my guest.

 

Never heard of it and it doesn't exsist. Well when you find a close AM then maybe and the A and the M have to be touching.

JC

 

Why is it the ONLY two WAM's I've found are 1990-P's? How come every other year and most 1990's are close AM's. A viriety is a variety no matter what the coin or currency is. So why hasn't anything from the mint, Redbook or anyone else published any info about this? Nobody cares, now that shows me alot. Is that the rule around here? I think not. There must be some intelligent answer to this question. That's all I am asking for.

 

I would guess die deteriation?

 

Or, maybe just that year the mint did something different. I don't think it worth any more than a dime.

 

Take out the part about nobody cares and I've answered

Take out the part about nobody cares and I've already answered your questions perfectly.

 

Well I'm not capable of doing a deep die study on Roosies. I'll just save these two and see what happens when the design changes take place on them. Then maybe someone will get more than curious and study the Roosevelt dime dies.:crying:

 

The data probably isn't directly transferable, but it is possible, possibly even likely that the hubs for the proof coins of each denomination differs slightly from the hubs for the business strikes. In which case the same type of error (business strikes struck from unfinished proof dies) could exist in other series as well. The first thing to do is to do some overlays to see what if any differences between proof and business strike hubs there are.

 

In 1993 and every year since the A and M in America have been virtually touching. The only exception to this are the '98, '99, and 2000 wide AM. This occurred because the reverse die for proof coins were accidently used on circulation coins. There was one documented report of or a 1996 wide AM but that coin was stolen from the owner and has not been recovered. Although you have similar type errors on other denominations the Wide AM refers only to the Lincoln Cents.

Richard

 

Thanks and well said

Thanks and well said - far too many new people look too hard at the wrong thing thinking somehow there is a way to somehow create new varieities by taking know data and superseding it onto other irrelevant coinage designs - it may be natural but it does not "make new varieties" - it just passes time and slows learning until you, the specialist learns the minting process.

 

Once and for all, I wasn't looking for new varieties in Roosevelt dimes. I just wanted to find out if there was an OPEN or CLOSE variety for dimes and to show what I had found on the two 1990-P's that I posted. Having been hammered and finding out that OPEN and CLOSE AM's pertains to only Lincoln Cents because of all the die studies done seals the issue until Roosevelt die studies are done, hopefully in the near future. Thanks for answering my question in a very professional and friendly manner. zeke

 

No hammering intended. I was merely trying to clear up for everyone that the only place the "wide AM" issue was relevent was on certain Lincoln Cents.

Richard

 

Naw, my poor choice of words. It was fun learning about facts I should know. Hopefully I'll retain everything. You know, I'm a virgo, very detailish but generally outspoken. Thanks for the info. Would of had to really dig deep and long to find it. Oh, I'm a Richard too!