Misattributed/Counterfeit DBC's on Ebay

If they still haven't pulled it Ebay doesn't give a darn , well time to report it again .:computer:
Rusty:hatch::hammer:

 

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While the following is OT, they are so pathetic I had to share them with ya'll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Connecticut-Colonial-Copper-Coins-1786-1787_W0QQitemZ290300812120

Here's my message to the seller:

"These are not Connecticut coppers. The top one looks like a George I and the bottom one looks like a 1804 George III, but neither are Connecticuts."

I guess they were guessing but it always seems they guess to their own benefit and not the other way. :whistle:

Ribbit

 

Here's another OT copper:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JB-46-1787-VERMONT-CENT_W0QQitemZ260371455001

If you look at the date on the reverse, it actually looks like it's a 1787 but it isn't. It's a 1788:

http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/vermont_coppers/vt_ryder_25.htm

The + stops after AUCTORI & LIB give it away, since NO 1787 has them.

Ribbit

 

Here's a common problem:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320348058569

It isn't a 1799, it's a 1798 but the seller is using their bad eyesight to get away with listing it wrong. :goof: I've explained to him why it isn't a 1799 but I think he knows it, he's just trying to make more off a poor grade 1798. :whistle:

Ribbit

 

Here's one Garrett can relate to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=310132117984

It's listed as a Club Ray variety but it's a N13-X (R-1):

http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/fugio_cents/fugio_cent_n013_X.htm

I sure hope whoever buys it isn't buying it thinking it's one of the rarer Club Ray varieties. :goofer:

Ribbit

 

Here's a good one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250399076253

Listed as a 1806 but it's a 1805 S-267:

http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s267.jpg

Here's a 1806 to use for comparison:

http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s270.jpg

Seller claims ignorance but ignorance works prior to me messaging them, now it has become fraudulent. :whistle:

Ribbit

 

Here's one listed as a 1797/7:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1797-7-STEMS-DRAPED-BUST-LARGE-CENT_W0QQitemZ400041554139

It's a 1798 S-186 and the die crack on the reverse gives it away:

http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s186.jpg

Ribbit

 

Here's an easy one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390046237927

It isn't an 1807/6 but can you figure out which one it is? :whistle:

Ribbit

 

It looks like a 1807 to me but I'm a newbie when it comes to early coppers Toad help me!!!
rzage:hatch::hammer:

 

A few clues.
There are six varieties of 1807. S-271 - 276
It isn't an overdate so that eliminates 272 and 273
it has a large faction, that eliminates 271 and 274
275 and 276 both use the same reverse die.
The key feature to tell the two apart is the distance between LIBERTY and the top of the bust.

Another way that will usually tell them apart is the 276 usually has a 180 degree rotated reverse, but that can't be seen from the pictures.

 

Conder fully explained it. Read what he said.

Ribbit

Ps: One other thing Conder didn't mention is S-271 thru S-273, the leaf tip at D in UNITED stops at the base of the D. That's the first thing I look at when I look at a 1807, since that cuts it in half what I have to look at to finish attributing it.

 

I didn't fully explain it. I gave enough to narrow it down to 275 and 276 but I didn't say which has Liberty close to the bust and which has it far away. Toads comment about the leaf below the D will let you tell a 271 from a 274. But then you still need to know how to tell a 272 from a 273. That is a VERY important distinction because the 272 is very valuable. (272 has a blunt 1 very close to the curl and 273 has a pointed 1 which is more distant from the curl. Ignore the comments about large and small 7 over 6. The 7 really isn't that different in size between the two.)

 

I use the leaf tip at the D in UNITED to narrow the 6 down to 3 and once I've narrowed it down, I then use the other attributes to finish it off. On this one, the leaf tip isn't at the bottom of the D so it's 274 thru 276 and the next attribute to look at is the fraction, which is a large fraction, so that rules out 274 and now we are left with 275 or 276 and then you just have to compare LIBERTY to the hair on the bust to finish it off. hya:

1807's are actually pretty easy to attribute, since there aren't that many and I'm constantly on the outlook for a 272 but I've yet to see one. :goofer:

Ribbit

 

Here's one you don't see every day on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280342734958

The seller didn't have a clue what they had or they would have sent it to Heritage or Stack's. There's only 5 or 6 known. :goofer:

Ribbit

Ps: For those that don't have a clue what variety that is, look here:

http://www.mkjassociates.com/cgi-bin/ilgvulot.pl?site=1&sale=44&lot=1154

 

While this isn't a DBC, it is an early copper:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1787-Connecticut-1-Penny-VG_W0QQitemZ350067674569

The seller claims it's a CONNLC variety when it isn't. It's a 1787 M33.15-r.1:

http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins..._coppers/1787_ct_copper_miller_33.15_r.01.htm

It's amazing how many sellers will say their coin is something it isn't, when they have no clue what it really is. :goof:

Ribbit

 

Anyone that is following this thread should know that I've turned it into a Copper thread, dealing with all early coppers, since I periodically run across other coppers with problems in their description. This next entry is something I haven't hit on yet but it's about time I did.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160335171599

What many don't realize is that out of all the Machin's Mills coppers on Ebay, about 1 out of 100 are actually Machin's Mills coppers and the rest are either British Regals or Regal counterfeits and not Machin's Mills coppers. That one is no different but when I messaged the seller to inform them of that, here's their reply:

"Please pull your uneducated head out of your a**."

So I replied:

Since I am uneducated, please inform this uneducated person as to what variety of Machin's Mills this is?

Here's the seller's reply:

"BLOW ME..."

Needless to say, the seller claims it's a 1775 and there's only one Machin's Mills with that date and it's a 4-75A:

http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/machins_mills/1775_vlack_04_75A.htm

It isn't that one so it isn't a Machin's Mills! :goof:

So when you run across one of the many coppers that are listed as a Machin's Mills, beware!

Ribbit

Ps: I sent it to a few friends and all agree, it is not a Machin's Mills copper. :whistle:

Pps: Here's one that is a Machin's Mills:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370200629162

 

I read the threads dealing with "sleepers" and yet I know the biggest sleeper of all time is the coin collector. :goof:

I posted the last item for a reason and I also showed you that peeps misattribute Machin's Mills coppers all the time and they also list them without knowing they are Machin's Mills, so they are a true sleeper because peeps don't want to take the time to educate themselves on how to spot them. Here's a good example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=380123093908

If you will look on page 64 of the 2009 Red Book, you will find out how much that's worth and then you might figure out there's a whole lot more to collecting than you imagined and it's called COPPER!

http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/machins_mills/1788_machins_mills_vlack_19_87C.htm

Ribbit

 

Getting back on track with DBC's, here's one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1798-S-165-R-4-GOOD-LARGE-CENT-VERY-SCARCE_W0QQitemZ200340540432

Seller claims it's a 1798 S-165 (R-4) so is it? :whistle:

Ribbit

 

I don't think it is; the loop of the 9 looks wrong, and the 8 is the wrong distance from the bust. I don't have time to go thru all the ones on Tom's site, but I saw others that looked like a closer match.

 

Try this one:

http://largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s187.jpg

Ribbit