1795 Flowing - Hair Half Dime V4

Lately they offered me this coin,1795 Flowing - Hair Half Dime Valentine 4.

1st- Is it authentic? (Fakoreal?)
I told the dealer that I would buy it only if I guarantie its authentication on coin forum Cointalk whit taking photos of it and sharin here,so experts can help me.
THE CUD on TY,which is the Valentine 4 or 4th Variety of this coin...Tell me about the cud u see on the coin I showed,is it enough to say it's authentic from it's CUD? Can dealers countrefeit cuds and die scratchs?ect.?
PS: The coin is 16mm with 1.35 grams

2nd- I need grades.GRADES!!
I see the some of the stars are in good condition,the face of liberty has fine condition.so what should be the grade?
THE REEMS,most of them doesn't appear,is it because of its variety?
what's that POINT in O of OF AMERICA?

The dealer asks for the coin $1400$
If my coin is real,then,what grade will you give it for it.
Is it worth $1400? Am I buying it for a bad price?good price?fine price?

3rd- Why am I always afraid of buying fake coins :S:S I need to have more confidence on myself...but sometimes, being pessimist in ur life saves u.

4rth more pictures will be added soon...

5 THANKS GUYS!

















Here is a PCGS graded Valentine 4 half dime:
Take a look,compare with this one.


http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-HALF-DIME-...1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

 

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im not finding anything wrong with it

 

Okay, it looks to be about a VF-20 coin which would make it a $3500 coin, one just like this sold at heritage in Jan of this year. The coin should be 16.5 mm and the proper weight is 1.35 g, however you would expect this to be at least somewhat lower as the coin has seen circulation. Again, diagnostically I am not seeing anything wrong with this coin, the cud break is right, the center dot is correct, even the eagle still looks angry. I have a problem with what I perceive to be porosity with the coin, which could be a sign it is a cast copy. I am no expert however, so take what I think with a grain of salt. I think it is probably real, but the low ask price does make me concerned.

 

My standard response.
If you can't authenticate it, then it needs to be slabbed.
WAY too much money for a raw coin that you aren't sure of.

 

I agree. This is one of those coins that are so valuable...if you aren't an expert I would avoid buying a raw example. I can't look at this coin and say authentic or not, I don't know the details well enough. The surface does have a hint of porosity to it and that worries me though.

 

Pcgs's prie for VF-20 3,000,but as this coin is so collectible item.that's why most of the time gets higher on sales.

About the reems and condition,it's part of V4 Variety that reems come like this,even in better grades.

The cud break, is it possible to fake it??
I think the cud break is a reason to make me sure that it's authentic

I can't understand what does "Porosity" means,I even checked the dictionary,I still can't get it. any other word with the same meaning?
The reason of low ask price is: The dealer has a registered prices of us coins in his laptop.
All the prices are OLD,so for this coin he said I saw it's VF,and showed me 1400$ on his laptop for this coin. where the G4 was 500$ ect. The prices were lower there...
The dealer told me that he bought this coin 10 years ago.The dealer was collecter himself.
The coin was in TRANSPARENT PACKED NAYLON (Plastic), I was the first one who opened the naylon,to photograph it.(after 10 years)
The naylon was exactly at the same size of the coin,it's something like coin slabb that we don't have it here...unfortunatly.

I will slabb it one day.What price must I pay for this RAW coin in your opinion. Good price.
I"M not sure BECAUSE: I have not seen this coin before! I have not seen the real one so all I can do is to compare with photos on internet.

and ask to my cointalk friends,who have experience than me,specially in US COINS!

SO I want someone with good experience to analyse it and say : YES it's real NO it's fake!
Someone who collect early us coins,someone who have a flowing hair half dime ...

@ Camaro DMD, Again, what does porosity means?
Can u help me? Do u know someone who can tell me if it's authentic or not?


bqcoins GRADED this VF-20

Do you agree guys?
Nobody commented on the grade, just BQCOINS.

 

Checking Varieties on PCGS:

http://www.coinfacts.com/half_dimes.../1795_half_dimes/1795_half_dime_varieties.htm


Valentine 1 - Very Rare
Valentine 2 - Rare
Valentine 3 - Very Rare
Valentine 4 - Scarce
Valentine 5 - Scarce
Valentine 6 - Very Scarce
Valentine 7 - Very Rare
Valentine 8 - Very Rare
Valentine 9 - Very Rare
Valentine 10 - Extremely Rare

ONLY V4 V5 V8 are available
THE OTHERS, even I Can't find one photo of them! :S WHY?

 

Looks real to me. Also looks to be VG to maybe F.

 

Here is mine in this thread. Mine is raw, bought from a dealer I trust - and I don't consider myself an expert. Yes - the reverse does look like it might be a little porous - little pits and soft sand paper type look on the reverse. I do not think the coin is VF, but I do think the price is fair for the condition.

 

GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

U MUST READ THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK WHAT DID I FOUND HERE<<<<<


http://www.money.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Communications/ConsumerProtection2/1795HalfDime.pdf

EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS!

AFTER READING THIS, LET ME KNOW, WHAT DO U THINK OF MY COIN??? :S

 

Coin facts is being worked on use Heritage.

 

Scary!!!!!!!!

 

MARK, read the link I shared
ur not going to believe this!

 

Unbelievable! Almost 40 years!!!!!!!!!!! Omg!

 

I still don't see why I should be worried? Fakes exist for everything - that is why you find a good dealer you can trust.

 

The PCGS price guide is meant for PCGS slabbed coins only and even then tends to be way overpriced.

Basically, porosity means the coin looks like to be covered with small pores. This basically means it appears to have a bunch of very small rough spots or holes just barely on the surface. It's a tell tale sign of casting which would indicate a counterfeit. Maybe I'm just seeing things though.

Without being an expert on this coin, I personally wouldn't not risk the money to buy one raw. That simple.

 

I learnt a lot of things of this,and I will learn a lot more.
"Being a coin collector is more than a being a doctor" Hagop
Numismatics
Numismatica
It's more than hobby or job!!!

I'm the lucky one who read this PDF file that was written ONLY 5 MONTHS AGO!!!!!

I feel sad for those people who were fooled by this counterfeit coin during all 40 years

 

Looking at some of the photos posted, I am concerned about what appears to be some granularity of the surfaces, especially around and within the devices. There is also a lack of detail in some of the more recessed areas (hair strands, eagle's lower body/tail area) that bother me.Lettering looks a bit fat and rounded to me, which can be a tipoff to a transfer die forgery. I can't tell if it's fake or not for sure from the images, but I lean towards it being a copy. If the dealer is someone you know well and trust and have bought from before, and if they will guarantee it's genuine- and refund submission fees, postage, etc if it isn't- it might be worth considering. Based on the information at hand, I personally would not buy this item unless I could look at myself under a microscope first.

 

I can't open the pdf for some reason but I have a pretty good idea of what it says.