Read in the Redbook for US papermoney that wear from plates being in use too long can be seen on Washingtons right shoulder. (1) Is that his actual right or the right shoulder from my view? (2) Is this seen on any other bills and where is it seen? (3)Does anyone have side by side compatison pics? Thanks
i have never heard of this.. so it is comnpletely new to me. But i would think that if the books says it can be seen on washingtons right shoulder, that would be his right, not yours. I would love to see pics
Not yet Daggarjon. I'll keep bringing it back up from time to time until I do though. From Redbook Guide to US paper money 2nd edition page 8 line 16 "Plate wear is first seen on Washington's right shoulder, and the assistant general manager for operations was quoted as saying that it was not uncommon for some wear to be shown on the dollar bill, progressively, before the dies are taken out of service. A second press run handles the green reverse."
This is where I'm at so far. probably would best be read from the bottom up. My reply to BEP reply to my original request for information.: Mr. Marshall, Thank you for the quick reply! I am trying to get some information to confirm or refute the suspicion of plate wear. I have no actual pictures that display this "wear". From what I understand, it is akin to a coin being struck with dies that are nearing the end of useful lifecycle. Some of the detail is not present and other details are "mushy", blurry or fine detail lines run together. Asked another way, how can you tell when it is time to replace a plate? Attached are some pictures, in .jpg format, of the article and the book it came from for your review. If at all possible, could you include some pictures of the marks you refer to in your previous reply? I would appreciate it very much. Thank you for you time. Noost > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:04:21 -0400 > From: websitemgr@bep.treas.gov > Subject: Re: BEP Inquiry [BEPand a bunch of numbers] > To: me@myemailaddy> > Mr. King, > > Your inquiry about plate wear indicators on currency from plates being used too long was forwarded to this office for attention and reply to you. > > We do not have enough information to explain the source of the "wear" marks on the notes. The marks of which you speak could be caused by a number of variables. Without pictures and a copy of the article, it would be difficult to give an accurate explanation of the problem. > > If possible, please provide a photocopy of the notes and article or scan the article with the note pictures and send it to us for study. You may email it to "jim.marshall@bep.treas.gov." You may also mail your response to his attention at: > > Bureau of Engraving and Printing > Office of External Relations, EAD, Rm. 517A > Washington, DC 20228 > > Attention: Jim Marshall, Public Affairs Specialist > > In doing so, please return a copy of this email for reference. > > Thanks, > > BEP > Moneyfactory.gov > > ---------------------------------------- > Original Message > ---------------------------------------- > Plate Wear Questions > To whomever can help, > Read in the Redbook for US Papermoney that wear from plates being in use too long can be seen on Washingtons right shoulder. > From Redbook Guide to US paper money 2nd edition page 8 line 16 > "Plate wear is first seen on Washington's right shoulder, and the assistant general manager for operations was quoted as saying that it was not uncommon for some wear to be shown on the dollar bill, progressively, before the dies are taken out of service. A second press run handles the green reverse." > > (1) Is that his actual right or the right shoulder from my view? > (2) Is this seen on any other bills and where is it seen? > (3)Do you have any side by side compatison pics? > Thank you for your time, > TheNoost(I put my real name instead)
very nice, you are getting a response that is not automated. thats cool. not lets see if somethign informative comes from it id love to see some die fatigue on notes lol
I got an informative response!! Dear Mr. King: The BEP’s Office of Engraving (OE) reviewed your inquiry regarding “plate wear marks” on currency notes. The OE engraves the original master dies and assembles the multi-subject intaglio and offset printing plates for United States currency. The Engraver, Siderographer, and Plate Making staff are all involved with the quality controls, including the inspection and repair, approval of working plates and cancellation of faulty plates. For clarity, we wish to confirm the orientation of "Washington's right shoulder" in the context of the Redbook article. This is often discussed here at BEP. When you're viewing the $1 Federal Reserve Note, you may observe a lighter tint of engraved lines on the right shoulder of the portrait or, in fact, Washington's left shoulder. The lighter engraved lines are part of the design as light emanates from Washington's left side. Hence, you can see a shadow being cast across the right side of his face, down across his cravat and coat. From a printing stand point, this area is one of many which are observed by the Plate Printers and inspection systems to ensure print quality and consistency throughout the press run. The statement in the article referencing plate life is accurate but not absolute. The skill and expertise of the Plate Printer in combination with the acceptance or rejection of printed sheets help determine if the printing plates are worn and need to be replaced. And yes, some of those observations include "mushy" and blurred detail appearances throughout the entire sheet. When print runs are completed, the accepted sheets are thoroughly inspected and compared against the established quality standards before they are transferred for the note finishing processes, which include the printing of the Federal District Bank, Treasury Seal and Serial numbers. Similarly, Plate Printers have key areas they watch on other denominations to help them evaluate the overall print quality of the sheet. A sampling of pictures, however, is not available. It is suggested that you acquire new notes and evaluate the notes that are "on the street." Thanks for your inquiry, BEP (Moneyfactory.gov)
so long stroy short..they make them that way, and its not an error? good info noost... and good effort keeping on top of it to get an asnwer!
Noost... Looking through my error references, I see no mention of plate wear errors... It is nice to see you have a response from the BEP on this one, and it explains what you are seeing. The electronic inspection was mentioned but not a specific mention...they did say a thorough inspection... Regards, Rick
I'm guessing it has to do with the darkness of the shadow on washington. I'll have to get some UNCs and see for myself. Probably would be hard to photo though.
Very cool... I must conatct Dr. Bartt and poll his knowledge on this as well. Thanks for the Great info. RickieB
How old is that book, anyway? The print runs haven't been 20,000 sheets in decades, and the rule about star notes having the same district as the bad notes that they replace went away in the early '80s.... If that's a recent-edition Redbook, they really need to update their introductory text once in a while!
2008-Guide Book of US Paper Money 2nd edition.-Thats a bummer. Thought I was getting info that was <3 years old.
