So, spank me again!

Maybe the Gods will smile upon me more favorably this time. Not an overpriced Fleabay find, but part of my Mom's estate. If I recall correctly, she got this coin from her father when he passed away in 1953; was at the bottom of her jewelry collection in a tiny box padded with cotton balls (That was my Mom to a "T") until her death last September. I've read that these Indians are notoriously hard to grade, because of their incuse strike. Before incurring the cost of a PGCS trip, I'd appreciate your take on this 1909 $5 Indian gold coin. Thankuverymuch! Fred

 

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It looks pretty good seems to have some rim dings. I am not a grader but it has pretty clean fields. Ice

 

I see what appears a slight amount of wear on the bonnet, but the eagle's shoulder looks very nice. How much luster is there when you tilt it? I would say High AU or
borderline MS. So hard to tell on flat photos. Very Nice coin! Would love it. Even so much better since it was your mom's. Good thing she never decided to put in on a bezel.

Jim

 

I agree Jim, I would say easily an AU55 or better.

 

I would have to agree...AU-borderline MS...very nice coin

 

From what I've heard around these parts AU coins can oft times look better than MS examples. Very nice indeed......:smile

 

Do you know if it happened to be in a bezel at one point or another?

I see what appears to be bezel marks on the obverse and reverse...close to the edges.

If that is the case don't waste your money sending it to PCGS, they will body bag it.

 

Never in a bezel. Mom wasn't much on jewelry; career Navy Officer, school teacher.

 

Maybe it wasn't when you found it... but from the marks it definitely spent some time mounted in something at some point in its life.

If you look at the original picture you will see a line or something running through the entire word "Liberty" and along over to the stars on the right where it becomes an even deeper groove. If you look more you can see it is just off the edge the entire way around the obverse and reverse. On the reverse you can see it running through "Five Dollars" all the way under "Unum". There aren't many things that do this to a coin besides some sort of bezel like mounting. Not to mention the Indian series of coins is the most popular coin to mount.

I'm honestly not trying to knock you or the coin, I'm just trying to mention this before you send it off to be graded because this "ring" will BB this coin %100 as an ex jewlery piece.

 

you guys dont know when a request hits u in the face all he asked was a spank


Here :loud: SPANK I hope you are happy now

i would be surprised if it doesnt make the 62 slab

 

Thank you sir! May I have another?

 

Could the coin be authenticated and body bagged at the same time?

 

I would think if it was sent to PCGS and they felt it was authentic and ungradable they would put it in one of their "genuine" slabs. They don't body bag altered coins automatically anymore.

 

Sorry I was using old terminology... I have to quit doing that.

By body bag, I meant to not go into a no problem holder.

 

yes listen to camaro

btw i ams till waitng for the pm ????????

 

thats ok i prefer the term BB as it shows its a comp loss but in this case even a 0 slab will be helpful

 

Definitely true.

I learned about these marks the hard way some time ago... i missed a little spot of it on an 1911 D $2.5. The coin was genuine, and so were the scratches! Ouch!

 

ouch what did u do with it then?

 

These coins seem to show up with the look of having been in a bezel but I have two which appeared to have been "bezeled" and they came back as an AU 58 and a MS 63. The strikes can be misleading because there's no rim, some of the metal flows toward edge and flattens out giving that appearance.

I have all of my incuse indians graded, they are worth it.

:thumb: oooops, forgot that SPANK!