Is this an over print?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jessash1976, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    I can see what looks like an outline of a "T" or the left edge of a "R" in between INGWT's T and R.
     

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    In a word: No.
     
  4. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    I'll expand.

    There is no such thing as an 'overprint' in coins, so your question would always be answered with 'no' because you aren't even in the ballpark with terminology. An 'overprint' is used in currency and stamps when inflation (or other reasons) cause a government to take finished product and print new values on the finished product because they would have been worthless at their original printed value. Say rampant inflation causes the postage rate to go from 45c to 65c in a period of a month. They might just overprint a bunch of finished 45c stamps with 65c instead of printing new stamps.

    Most obvious thing to note is that coins are not 'printed' at all. Printing involves the use of printing presses and ink on paper. Coins are minted on a coining press. COMPLETELY different process altogether.

    Perhaps instead of trying to use terminology you don't know, you might want to just describe what it is that you think you see in layman's terms so you will get a realistic answer to your question - because frankly I have no clue what you were trying to ask.
     
  5. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    All those words, and you did not even tell me what "it" was. Are you a politician or something?
     
  6. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Read my last paragraph above. I don't know what 'it' you are asking about, so I have no idea how to tell you what 'it' was.
     
  7. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Do you mean the little die scratch between the letters? Umm, that's a die scratch.
     
  8. just coins

    just coins New Member

    Well if you are talking about the line between the U and r it looks like a small elongated gas bubble, there are also others gas bubles in that area it looks to airy for a die scratch

    JC
     
  9. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Thank you.

    :hammer: ok
     
  10. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Zinc coins will often have gas bubbles trapped between the zinc and the copper coating, this would exclude coins minted before 1982.
     
  11. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Well

    To me it looks like the imprint of the "T" next to it, but I guess not.
     
  12. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    One of the answers you received was it could be a gas bubble. However it would more than likely not be the case with your coin. I just didn't want you to get the idea that it was possible.
     
  13. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    It looks to me that he did adequately describe what he's seeing.

    It's probably as others have described here. Other possibilities are a die scratch or my favorite, a clashed die. The mark is opposite the left downstroke of the "N" on the other side which would make about the same mark if the dies had come together.
     
  14. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

  15. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    coopercoins-was your first sentence necessary, it was a bit rough as he may be a newbie. The rest was a welcome explanation of overprint tho.
     
  16. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Okay, it was a little rough.

    Sorry jessash. I gotta learn that people learn and we all started out knowing very little. I have to go back to 1979 for that, and the older I get the harder it is to get the leisure suit and elevator shoes on. Never mind, if you're not at least 30 you wouldn't understand that one.

    So, back to the coin...

    I'll be better on this one.

    It's not a die clash, as was mentioned in a post earlier in this thread. Here's why:

    Dies always have a slightly convex shape so the metal flow during the strike will go outward and completely fill the recesses and the rim. Think of it like a frying pan with a slight hump in the middle. The egg always spreads out when you crack it in the middle of the pan. Same concept.

    So, because the dies are convex, any clash is going to show up in the MIDDLE of the design first...but of course since the middle of the design is the portrait itself, it is cut deeply into the die. If you were to touch the dies against one another NONE of the portrait would be touching the reverse die at all. So actually the fields around the middle are what get hit first. So on a Lincoln cent, this would be at the throat and neck, then inside the memorial bays on the reverse. Check for yourself, this is ALWAYS where die clashes show up.

    Since this coin shows NO sign of clash marks toward the middle of the design, it would be physically impossible for a clash to magically appear so close to the rim without some real wierd die movement (like falling out of the press).

    Again, the little line is a die scratch. It's just that simple. Really. *smile*
     
  17. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    You know that is the best info I have gotten from you! Thank you! As you can see from my login name , I am over 30, so yes I understand. And by the way, NIce Fuc...g Bike Dude!
     
  18. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    Well, I've only been posting here for a few days, so stick around...you might get something useful out of me yet.
     
  19. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Copper,
    Thankyou.Really. i'm 54 myself and have been collecting since I was about 12. I learned my patience from having one child born with Tourettes Syndrome and the other ADHD, not to mention one of first jobs out of high school was at a nursing home. Oh, how I fell in love with the elederly, their patience and the wonderful stories I listened to. have a wonderful Easter weekend. Tom:high5:
     
  20. coppercoins

    coppercoins certifiably unstable

    jessash - I got my first pocket knife for my birthday the year you were born. The marathon at the Montreal olympics was on TV that day.

    Some people age with grace, others let age hit them like a shovel in the face. My nose hurts. Enjoy youth while you can.
     
  21. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    Yea that ugly ass stadium, what does that mean? YOu have more experience in everything than me? We are talking coins, not you male menopause.
     
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