Identify this 1792 token ?

Can anyone identify this 1792 token? I purchased it in a lot of coins which I just posted in the World & Ancient section. It is a nice chocolate brown color as depicted in the collage photo.

Very best regards,
collect89

 

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collage photo depicting all the coins in the lot.

 

Well other than telling you that it is English cant tell you a lot about it, I think it is lovely though and it looks like you got a few nice coins in that pile including a British trade dollar

 

That does not look like a coin struck in 1792.

 

Here ya go:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1792-NORWICH-HALFPENNY-Norfolk-Token-c055_W0QQitemZ120398272980

It's a Conder token from the UK. :thumb:

Ribbit

 

Check here
Not much more info than you gave but gives an idea of price


http://antikacoins-medals.com/shop-56.htm

Richard

 

Goggle "may norwich flourish" and you will find many of these

Richard

 

Thank you Richard,
Apparently, I got a really good deal on this piece. Do you know if it was really minted in 1792?
Very best regards,
collect89

 

Another token in the lot

I thought this piece was a Gibraltar coin but I find on the Internet that in 1810 they were called Merchant Tokens. I'll have to look it up when I get home tonight. This photo depicts the Gibraltar 2 Quartos piece in the lot.
Very best regards,
collect89

 

A nice example of the two quartos. They're a little tougher to find than the 1 quart pieces. Is the obverse in similar condition? If so, probably $20-40 depending on who you get bidding.

Also, a nice Norwich token. Again, not scarce but in that grade you should get a decent price for it. On my site here's one of mine: http://www.napoleonicmedals.org/coins/brit92-7.htm

 

Great Website!

Hello Vern,
Great Website! It is now one of my Favorites.
Very best regards,
collect89

 

Nice!

 

Nice piece.

City of Norwich in the county of Norfolk England Dalton and Hamer #14, a, b, or c Depending on the edge inscription. It is a Genuine Trade Token issued by N Bolingbroke who was a Haberdasher or a dealer in mens clothing. The dies were engraved by Thomas Wyon Sr of Birmingham in Warwickshire. Thomas was a member of the extensive Wyon family of artists and engravers. The tokens were manufactured by Peter Kempson, also of Birmingham who was a major producer of tokens for many people. A total of one and a half tons of tokens were produced or 155,000 tokens comprising three different die varieties (14, 15, and 16) all of which are of roughly equal rarity so you can estimate a mintage of roughly 50,000 tokens or 104 British pounds face value. (Which cost him 72 pounds)

The D&H 14 has an edge inscription of PAYABLE AT N BOLINGBROKES HABERDASHER &C NORWICH .X. This token is common.

14a edge says PAYABLE AT P DECKS POST OFFICE BURY (Bury was in Suffolk)
14b edge says IOHN HARVEY OF NORWICH (the use of I for J was common on Conder tokens.)
14c edge is plain.
All three of these subvarieties are extremely rare. The Decks and Harvey edges are from planchets produced for two other clients of Kempson's As mentioned P Deck rana post office in Suffolk county, and John Harvey was a weaver and maker of cloth in Norwich. It is possible that some of Harveys cloth was used to make the clothing that Bolingbroke sold.

Is that enough identification? Oh forgot to mention the obv with the castle and lion is the coat of arms for the city of Norwich, while the shield and batons on the reverse is the arms of the county of Norfolk.

 

Conder, Was it struck in 1792?

 

Yes

 

Leadfoot - there were a lot of collectors back then so one can find these wonderful early copper pieces in pristine condition.

 

I learn something new every day here. Thanks guys!

Frankly, I was amazed that this amount of detail is available in a token from this time period. My mistake, I think, was that I equated the rustic nature of US coins & tokens from this time period to these English tokens (which I obviously know nothing about).

 

I want to thank everyone for the help. I certainly learned a lot about this 1792 token from everyone. The next time I get a token like this I will Google the words in the Legend, go to EBay, & visit great websites like Vern's http://www.napoleonicmedals.org and Richard's suggestion of http://antikacoins-medals.com/shop-56.htm . I thank everyone including Conder for answering in such detail. (Did Conder write a book/Website or is it all in his head?)

Very best regards,
collect89

 

James Conder DID write the standard reference for these tokens (the standard from 1798 to 1890) and that is why they are known as Conder tokens.

In my case, some is in my head, I did write a book on them, and since it is a favorite collecting field of mine I have two reference books on the series always within easy reach.

 

Conder101 is too modest. He is a token expert along with possessing deep knowledge of U.S. coins, TPG slab history, and just about anything numismatically.

He has generously provided me with some excellent Conder reference material and overall guidance as I've pursued these great pieces of history. While I've never met him, I hope to do so someday and shake his hand (and buy him a few rounds!).