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I can't remember the last time i paid for a game (that was not a multiplayer game) or a program.... When you're too poor to buy ... download

 

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Ruben I tried to download Gimp from their site and got nothing but corrupted files. What's up with that! How can I endorse and support something like this? I'd like to try it out and maybe donate but cant even get the free program to evaluate it. Help...

 

You are dating yourself, Ruben.

 

p.s. I used pbase to display my coins, and I never even have to mess with HTML, Dreamweaver, etc. Here's my site: http://www.pbase.com/miker/coins

 

I'm safe don't worry about me Mr. Davis.

 

the GIMP is one of the most vetted programs on earth so I doubt that anything is corrupted. Which OS are you using? If you download the source code your box is going to freak out not knowing what it is and not having a C compiler. You need to make sure you grab the binary for your OS. I teach with it and I know the students have dragged it in against my instructions on Windows and Mac OS laptops

Ruben

 

I have built 10+ sites on just straight HTML, I have built 10+ sites on dreamweaver, and have tried a couple other programs but what I use now for my main websites and what I recommend is:

Yahoo SiteBuilder

It is tremendously easy and even comes with 100s of templates to use. Really easy to add special effects, buttons, nav bars, paypal buttons, maps, yahoo search buttons, etc, etc. All with the click of the mouse. Drag and drop virtually everything. Good luck!

 

you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I can certainly disagree. Dreamweaver has never been buggy for me, its interface is so simple to use there is far less learning curve involved than learning HTML...its easy for you to say 'learn this or that..." but some people simply dont want to learn HTML, they just want to put up a site and if they can find a good program that will generate the code for them, thats all they want and in the end, its all they need. Some people dont care to become a proficient HTML programmer, they just want an easy way to put up pages and there are plenty of options out there for them.

With a free program you STILL must learn how to use that free program...you have no support if it IS buggy and often its just more trouble than it worth....but in the end...its whatever works for you...I have so often found that you get what you pay for when using free junk...you often get junk. Dreamweaver works for me, its easy to use, low learning curve, it has all the functions one needs to build a fully functional website, its an all in one package.

Like with Gimp, I downloaded it and then realize I have to download a hundred other add-ons just to get CLOSE to Adobe out of the box....and then, as I have pointed out clearly here before...its not as good as PS...patchwork user based support...for web graphics its okay I guess...but if you can get adobe PS for free...why bother with that patchwork junk....its just a pain.

as for the price...that might be a problem for some, I dont pay for my software so its a non-issue...in the end...most software for me is freeware so if I am getting it all for free, I might as well get the best.

Like I said before, I have been working on website and graphics for more years than I can count (my job) and in the beginning I used only HTML and a text editor. I chose to use dreamweaver because its faster and easier and I can see the page as I build it instead of programming...view....fix problems...view...fix other problems...view...search for the right code I need to use for a function...place it...view...fix...etc...

HTML is rather easy if you want to build a stripped down basic site but the more complicated features you want to use, the more complicated the code becomes (input fields, graphical rollovers, search features, flash,etc..)...still not that hard but still requires you learn the code and the code becomes more and more complex.

Its all in what you are looking for...if you want a quick easy way to set up a website, dreamweaver is just fine, if you want to learn HTML, go for it...you certainly will understand how it is structured...all dreamweaver, frontpage, and other web authoring programs are are code generators with a graphical front end...some are better than others.

If you want a cheap alternative to Dreamweaver, there is always frontpage...but more than any other, that program puts garbage, extraneous code in, leaves code when you delete a table, so it requires more clean-up than dreamweaver.

In the end, there is no need to bicker about it...if you want to learn HTML, go that route, if you want to use a code generator, there is nothing at all wrong with that...these are just personal choices one makes. I chose to use PS because I got it for free and I like it much better than Gimp...I chose to use Dreamweaver because I got it for free and its less of a pain when putting together a complicated extensive website than programming everything myself...simple as that.

 

Seems to work great when I teach. We've gotten over 1000 students those far and counting twirling apache config files, hammering modperl, perl, C, PHP and zipping through website construction, usually surpassing my own skills in short time.

When your working off a Ubuntu or OpenSUSE system, your really functioning in an integrated environment. I have the gimp now hooked directly into firefox so that I can quickly edit graphics right off the webserver. GVIM is not your mothers VI editor. We have it automated to make templates with an F3, or F4. The webserver pulls everything together and RSYNC through SSH keeps the revisions on the server upto date automatically with production server.

I do introduce revision control with RCS and CVS, but its just a quick going over.

But the bottom line is that without basic HTML know how, your screwed. And dream weaver is hardly the top of the line software of page production. Several MAJOR web firms have gotten so fed up with it that they have banded it. It also creates bad habits.

Any Word Process will create drag and drop HTML these days, as so will firefox. But they all suck to varying extents and once you decide to add some programming to the stuff, and you crack open the files and find they resemble chicken soup, then you understand why they are hated so much.

Ruben

 

Everyone can have opinions but I'm basing my opinion on facts, and standards, not rhetoric and marketing jive.

Ruben

 

Windows Vista, and I did exactly what you just said not to do. Went back and did it properly and worked fine. So far I'm very impressed! Thanks cant wait to get into it more!!!!:hail:

 

of course you are... I sense no driving obsession, bias and agenda coming from you...

Call it what you wish, I use both photoshop and dreamweaver every single day, I am just saying what works well for me from experience.

 

Make sure your domain name is registered privately or you register it to another address.

 

I agree 110%.
Dream-junk is also a waste of money IMHO, as is Frontpage.

Here is the deal--you can use just about anything you want...Frontpage, Wordpress, etc, but if you decide to move hosting companies, or change the software...you best not be attached that much to your website and how it works.

Some hosting companies I know, won't host websites useing Frontpage. Others only allow CMS built sites, and others don't care what you use, but you need to know how to install your product on the server.

If you use standard HTML and know how to code, and use FTP, then you are good to go. Alot of CMS systems will also allow you to code useing raw HTML, so you might save yourself some trouble there.

I host around 100 websites on my server and most of my clients are newbe's and want something very simple. Alot of them are useing a CMS, and I have one is that useing DW, and another that is useing Wordpress. Others use raw HTML, and still others have designed their own CMS or system such as that.

The key is to find something you are good to go with. Try out some demos and find something that is easy to use, and doesn't make you sign your whole life away.

Speedy

 

It really doesn't matter--and if it is Private it is alot harder to get back if you lose details, or need your hosting company to help you with some details...such as setting the DNS.

I've had alot of domain names registered to me throughout the years and the only junk mail I get because of it is the scams from Domain Registry of America. Just check with your hosting company, most send your bills by EMAIL, and so trash the paper ones in the mail.

Speedy

 

In the end we all have to make decisions on our own technical skill, budget, and amount of time to invest. What's right for one person, may not be right for another. Respectfully...Mike

 

I generally agree with this except for one thing. The question was posed how to best get your website up and running. Any client that asks that it would be irresponsible and negligent to advise them anything other than that they first HAVE to learn the basics of HTML. It is a must.

All the other technologies discussed generate HTML, most with proprietary extensions which shouldn't be used. But HTML is the only standard that a web browser not only HAS to understand, but which all other extensions are built off of.

You must learn HTML, and for a simple coin collecting site, you'd be hard pressed to need anything else.

This debate really comes down to two lines of thinking. One is that you need to become educated in the basic computer sciences which are necessary for your websites to run smooth and to function. the other is, I don't care how anything works. Just take my stuff and doing something with it.

One route makes you a driver. The other your a passenger on a broken down bus that you won't be able to get off of.

Ruben

 

Well, It's a 25 years mandatory sentence for cracking and using Dream Weaver without permision because the software has an encryption seal and is therefore protected under the DMCA. So if you can't afford Dream Weaver, your idea is that one shouldn't actually learn HTML and how to use an editor. Instead one should perpetrate a major felony.

Soooo, I can understand the motivation to perpetrate a felony of this sort if the purpose of the act was to make some kinds of a political statement against the DMCA and the current copyright regime. In fact, i have friends who have gone to jail just for that reason, with a helping hand of Adobe Software. But, frankly, to risk your welfare, and the welfare of your family for the purposes of creating a coin collecting website, well, that just takes a special kind of person.

To help others make the same choices... that would put someone into the top 0.5% of specialness.

BTW - let me introduce you to the BSA. Despite their reliance of non-standardized web protocols, and the fact that they sound like the Boys Scouts of America but are not, they are still quite effective at their aims and have darn good lawyers who, strangely enough, can even get people jailed.

Ruben

 

I am running Window 7 Beta right now.