DM Monogram silver coin

I have trouble imagining a sculptor doing a ton of medals, all looking the same. Besides, if all three examples we found (supposing they're all different examples) were actually made by the man, they wouldn't be this cheap for sure.

I think it's reasonable to think that the mint did some of these medals in late 19th century, using the design created by the artist years before.

I wouldn't be frustrated if I were you. It is an amazing piece and it's not as if it was done a couple of years ago.

 

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True. I still like the design. My Mom wants to polish it to remove the patina.

 

Isn't that pretty much the same as ruining a coin?

Does anyone else agree that a cornucopia is what's on the medal, next to "argent"?

 

"Does anyone else agree that a cornucopia is what's on the medal, next to "argent"? "

Hi, Luis
I know what a fish and a cornucopia look like. But I have nothing to compare that mark too? Hopefully someone will come along who does. The turn of the century and 1974 is a big difference.

 

That is what I told her.

 

Have a look here it shows the Cornicoupia MM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifying_marks_on_euro_coins#France

can you get a closer pic of the edge?

 

And this is what it looks like on a French medal

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?i...ucopia+mint+mark&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=G&um=1


Go about three quarters of the way down the page, they do look alike

 

This one has a cornucopia and ARGENT on it and is from 1788.
http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=574088&AucID=420&Lot=2105

Any ideas?

 

http://fortiter.napoleonicmedals.org/miscellany/poincons.htm

 

I wanna say that date can't be accurate. We already have two sources saying that the cornucopia MM only started in 1880.

 

On the one I found (link above) it says this:

FRANCE, AR jeton, s.d. (1727), Lorthior. Mariage de Louis-Marie-Guy d'Aumont et de Louise-Jeanne de Durfort de Duras. Droit : Leurs armes. Revers : Cartouche chiffré entouré de trois amours. Ref.: Feu., 5890; Corre, 208. 16,71g. Dim: 33 mm. Octogonal. Poinçon: corne.

I find the date interesting, considering it's 6 years before the guy was even born (see below). :goof:

Now that the edge stamp has been shown, I would have to agree that it is a restrike but the question now is, when was it restruck? If it's a new restrike, then it isn't worth a lot but if it's an old restrike, then it has a nice value.

I sure hope GD gets off the toilet soon and fills us in on what he knows about these! :thumb:

Ribbit

 

That was my point! Also, it casts doubt on the Stack's listing accuracy in general.

Two different websites say it would have been restruck between 1880 and 1901. That is assuming the MM is indeed a cornucopia.

 

I think it was struck sometime around the turn of the 20th century so that makes it a old restrike and not a bad piece but like I said earlier, I think Doug can nail this one so I look forward to hearing what he has to say but the legwork already done, is quite impressive.

Good job guys! :thumb:

Ribbit

Ps: That's something that deserves to be seen and not stuck in a safety deposit box. I'd think about having it mounted in a picture like thingy, with the story of what it's about so it can be hung on the wall for others to see. :kewl: Some stuff was meant to be stored away and others shared, this should be shared. :thumb:

 

Agreed. It's a really beautiful piece.

Great team work! :high5:

 

Maybe De Orc will check back in with his thoughts on the mm? It certainly doesn't look like the cornucopia on the coin in his link. It doesn't look much like a fish either.

Isn't this the same OP with the discombobbled 2 reale?

 

I think the edge mark is definitely a cornucopia, which makes it post-1880 or so. If the original engraver was 1700's, then it's a restrike. Beautiful jeton, but certainly no earlier than the late 19th century.

 

Comparing it to the MM on the medal I have to agree it certainly looks like the Cornucopia :thumb:

 

??? I dont even have a two reale. I have a 8 reale though.

 

So this coin was struck in the early 19th century but who designed it if the original was supposedly made years before Lorthior was born?

 

Late 19th century, and I think that the date you're talking about is wrong. Either that, or it wasn't designed by Lorthior. One thing is for sure, Lorthior didn't design the medal 6 years before being born