What do you think - real mint error or PMD? (1972 Kennedy Half Dollar)

Pulled this 1972 Kennedy Half from a tube of "coins to look at a little more closely later on."

At first glance, looks like an ordinary curved mint clip - but then check out the crimp marks on the rim (obverse at 7 and 10:30; reverse at 7:30 and 11.) What do you think - genuine mint error (what would cause the crimp marks?) or someone's PMD project (or, a mixture of both?)

 

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The clip at the date looks like it is genuine. I see the Blakesley Effect on both sides.

However, I believe the crimp you see is PMD. If you look closely, you can see the arc cutting lightly across the face of Kennedy and through the eagle's right wing and talons (viewer's left). I think someone was trying to make a large cud through the coin but wasn't strong enough.

 

And that's what makes me skeptical of the smaller clip...but like you said, at first glance the signs are there that it's genuine.

 

Other thing I was considering was "what if it was about to get clipped twice but didn't for some weird reason - what would that look like" but I kind of assume that if it's getting clipped, it's getting fully clipped.

 

I'm not sure but it is a keeper.

 

Those aren't crimp marks. That looks like an incomplete clip.

 

The one through the H in HALF looks like a die break. It looks like another issue besides the clips, not crimp marks.

 

Just an observation based on your images. The small clip looks real, as mentioned above the Blakesley effect is visible.
Now the contentious part. It is possible that the machinery punching out the blanks was stopped just as it made contact with metal sheet, because it was spotted to be out of synch. The radial curve from lower rim through his cheek and to the upper rim, and on the reverse look to be the same as the curve of the outside edge of the coin.

 

I am also leaning towards Incomplete clip with a minor curved clip

 

Do you think any closeup images would help diagnose exactly what's going on?

 

I always like nice detailed photos, it would be neat to see exactly what has happened, especially if you can fully trace the curve throughout the design elements. The reference on
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=incomplete+clip
Shows that in most instances the incomplete clip is more evident. But that doesn't mean IMO that some of the evidence would be filled in on strike.

Mike Diamond also states that most of these Incomplete strikes are accompanied by a curved clip.

Fun coin whether or not, I just don't think it is post strike.

 

Here are some fresh images - a little closer on the whole coin shots, some closeups of the crimps on the edges, closeups of the edges.

 

On the obverse have you put another dollar's edge against the curve from the 1 to the B to see if the partial circumference is the same

 

Yes, and it is exactly the size of a Kennedy Half dollar.

 

Then my opinion is an small curved clip and a larger incomplete clip. Guess you will never know for sure but a cool find nonetheless, I like it

 

Well, I could send it in for encapsulation/attribution. I'm not sure what an incomplete/minor mint clip is worth, or whether this coin would be worth sending to a TPG (maybe someone could help out with that) but that would be one way.

I could probably also send it to someone like John Wexler (although he specializes in die varieties, no mention of mint errors on his site) and then to ANACS if it's worth it.

 

@paddyman98 @JCro57

 

I hope Ed replies but I believe it looks like PMD

 

No PMD on this coin.

It is a small clip and an incomplete punch.

~Joe Cronin

 

Joe answered.. I agree with the attribution given.
No PMD on that Kennedy. Neat item!