Irregular flans

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  1. Roma

    Roma Active Member

    hello,
    Please show me your coins with an irregular flan. I don't mean with an oval shape but those that are very particular.
    I start with some. thank you.

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    You want irregular flans, you gotta go Byzantine!

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    Tiberius II Constantine AD 574-582 and Anastasia.
    Byzantine Æ half-follis, 5.02 g, 20.4 mm, 7 h.
    Thessalonica, AD 579.
    Obv: dmTibCONS TANTPPAV, Nimbate Tiberius and Anastasia seated facing on double throne; he holds globus cruciger, she a scepter.
    Rev: Large K; above, cross; to left, A/N/N/O; to right, regnal indicator V (=5); beneath, TЄS.
    Refs: Berk 398; DOC 23; SB 439; MIBE 65.
     
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  4. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Does this count?
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  5. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    I’ll add the first Gallienus to this thread...I’m sure it won’t be the last.

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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    IBERIAN Castulo 2.jpg
    IBERIAN
    AE Semis
    OBVERSE: Young male head right, Phoenician letter before
    REVERSE: Bull right, crescent above, two Phoenicial letters below
    Struck at Castulo Late 1st century BC
    15.6mm, 1.8g
    Burgos 897
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    CARAUSIUS
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP C M CARAVSIVS AVG, radiate and draped bust right
    REVERSE: / PAX AVG (AVGG?), Pax standing left, holding branch and transverse sceptre
    Struck at Uncertain British or Continental mint 287-293 AD
    2.4g, 17/19mm
    RIC 899
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Split

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    Samnium Aesernia AE21 263-240 BCE HN Italy 430 Vulcan - Biga
     
  8. Roma

    Roma Active Member

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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    SPRUES

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    Carthage-Sardinia 300-264 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse Head Palm 18mm 4.8g sprues SNG Cop 173 - no pellet below Left
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Not only is the flan weird but the figures are aliens (Byzantine coin of Justin II and his wife.)

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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CASTING GATE

    Aes Grave Sextans

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    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55.28g Dioscuri R and L

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    Here is the casting gate where the runner was broken off:
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    Aes Grave Sextans Craw 18.5mm thickness on edge
     
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  12. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Not sure about the cause.
    The coin is in excellent condition, a lot of luster, it is definitely my best denarius in terms of conservation.
     
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  13. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    I got this fun, ragged flanned Carthaginian recently...
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  14. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Julia Mamae sestertius with a giant crack:

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    Illyria drachm with a weird bent flan

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    Phocas with an over-sized flan:

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  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Serrate Denarius, AR 4.07 gm 19 mm, Crawford 364-1d.jpg
    Serrate Denarius, Rome, 83-82 BC, 19 mm, 4.07 gm, 5 h.
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While I admire the Byzantines' work in this regard, I would not go so far as to say 'gotta go'. There was a short period in the middle of Septimius Severus' reign (IMP IIII-VII) when ragged was more common. Coins before and after these were more round.
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    My best ragged Byzantine has edges as sharp as a chain saw. This coin cut its way out of a paper envelope and was delivered with one point through the outer envelope. The photo does not look all that ragged but the sharpness of the edges is exceptional.
    Heraclius
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    Some coins just got ragged when they were struck with more than usual force producing a thin flan with splits.
    Constans II & Constantine IV
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    Both of my Byzantine examples were Sicilian mint products. Is this a pattern?
     
  17. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    An antoninianus of Gallienus with a particularly irregular and ragged flan.

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  18. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Where is the human book of ancients, Donna. I would like to see what she has to say. Good lesson so far, thank you.
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wavy Flan
    Mine is a bit wavy...
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    Thrace Thasos
    146-50 BCE
    Roman provincial or Military mint
    AR Tet
    Dionysos
    Herakles Club Lion skin
     
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  20. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Here's my favorite, a denier of Raymond-Berenger V, Comte de Provence 1209-1245. A scarcer issue, with his coat of arms, of the kingdom of Aragon, as a son of Alfonso II.
    COINS, PROVENCE, RAYMOND BERENGER V.jpg Obv. The Aragonese royal coat of arms: Or [gold /yellow], two [also four] pallets gules [red].
    (Here's a 14th-c. manuscript with the arms:
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    (Part of what makes European heraldry so cool, as early as this, is that its primary function is still utilitarian. ...Instead of the stuff you can get about coats of arms from, we could say, the 16th century on.
    Along the lines of, 'I've got this helmet on, but I'll show you what you're looking at, anyway. ...Just because I'm that good.'
    From my town, the blue colors of the Crips, and the red of the Bloods involuntarily come to mind.)
    Legend: + [R:] BE. COMES.
    Rev. Cross, ending in three pellets, extending to the border.
    Legend: [E]P / VI / N / CI.
    Duplessy 1615, citing Poey d'Avant 3935 (by plate); Boudeau 810; Crusafont 176; Roberts 4592.
    Except, to paraphrase the old poem,
    'And ain't that a funny old raggedy flan?
    'Raggedy, raggedy, raggedy flan.'
     
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