Grade opinion... Roll-end 1923 Peace dollar

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by hinnelton, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. hinnelton

    hinnelton New Member

    This is the roll-end coin from an unopened Peace dollar roll. I opened it since I figured I should be able to get a good grade on all of them and I would submit them in bulk. This one is representative of the lot, though most of the others are less toned.

    I know these and the common-date Morgans I have aren't worth "much", but I figure with the good grade, and I think with the ever rising price of gold / silver, a nice graded bunch should make a good long-term investment. Right?

    Thanks again for the opinions!

    Terry

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  3. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    That coin's not in any kind of holder, is it? On the reverse, there is what looks like a rim ding at 3 o'clock.
     
  4. hinnelton

    hinnelton New Member

    No, I took it out of its cointainer. And yes, I think that is a ding :(
     
  5. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    I'd go 64, but I'm horrible at grading these. Nice coin BTW.
     
  6. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Well, I can't really grade from the pics, but no matter what it is, the ding will lower market value. That coin might even just get slabbed as genuine/damaged, depending what service gets it.
     
  7. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    Yeah it looks like a pretty big rim ding right at 3 on the reverse. I check the prices on NumisMedia from MS 61-64 the prices go from 22-44 dollars. For MS65 its around 150, and in 66 it jumps to 650. The problem with getting all those commons graded is you really need most of them to come back MS64 or higher just to break even from the grading fees.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The coin appears to have environemtal damage, I doubt it would get slabbed at all.
     
  9. It looks like there is some kind of liquid damage, maybe water, on the coin...
     
  10. hinnelton

    hinnelton New Member

    I hear you. I noticed that the "book value" of these doesn't really jump until MS65+

    I was wondering if that blotchy stuff was water damage. When does a "stain" become water damage according to a grading service?
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not really an easy question to answer. There is no cut and dried definition that I know of, it is more of a judgement call. There are plenty of coins in slabs that have stains. But there a whole lot more that have been body-bagged because of it.
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    melt it back to a Morgan
     
  13. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    Peace dollars are without a doubt the hardest,

    Peace dollars are without a doubt the hardest US coin series to grade that there is IMO - they are one strange coin!
    Outside of a few dates they always come sort of weird - the 22,23,24's are just sooooo common - this coin is an AU coin, (mint state details) with environmental damage at some point - given all the saved 22's this one's not even in the game.
    Many of us agree there is something strange about Peace dollars and have had lots of talks about them.
    After they lowered the relief it just ruined them - they are so flat and unremarkable even in mint state it is a real shame on this design as it was really great to begin with.
    Another very very strange thing among peace dollars is lack of or little toning compared to Morgan dollars, Don't you'all think that is really strange - on the one hand we have tons of beautiful toned Morgans and how often do you see a similar Peace dollar. Both were stored in bags, the Morgans maybe a little longer but that's not enough to explain it is it?
    I actually believe that the surface texture is different although I can not prove it I somehow think the Morgans lend themselves to be more affected by toning than Peace dollars. Like I said I can't explain it but something going wrong here with the series.
    The Peace dollar pictured is toned because of something (probably a rinse or dip) and that's about as toned as you see them compared to other series - like I said it's a strange series.
     
  14. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    I think that 3CS coins and the incused $2.50 and $5.00 indian coins are the hardest series to grade!
     
  15. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member



    I don't know about that. Grading Peace dollars might be hard but grading 2 1/2 Gold Indian Eagles has to be the hardest to grade.

    Ruben
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Washington quarters are the toughest - hands down.
     
  17. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Like that Proof in the other thread?

    Ruben
     
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