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Exactly.

If you had started the post, "In my opinion . . . ", I would have no beef with your statement. That would be true.

The way it was phrased leads less knowledge folks to believe it was a statement of fact, which we know it wasn't.

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What is the difference between Chinese counterfeiters and this. I see zero difference other than they are made in different countries. A perfect case of hypocrisy.

Please do not start a topic of racism.

 

A little education on the differences would benefit you greatly.

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Care to elaborate? This is a perfect opportunity to outsource overstriking to China where production and raw material cost is less than a dollar.

 

Save your breath, you'd get just sucked into a rabbit hole of haters. There's countless threads already and anyone that can't see the difference between quality produced carr pieces that are well documented and sold as is and cheap mass produced counterfeits of real dates intended to deceive from a country that fakes literally everything and first instinct is to play the race card well.............

 

Carr's fantasy overstrikes are stamped over actual US legal tender. They are modifications of existing US minted coins, therefore contain the exact same "ingredient" as when the coins were minted. The foreign entities do not. Dan Carr's creations are still US legal tender, just artfully modified.

I will let you do your own research to educate yourself on the multiple other important differences on your own time.

Educate yourself and I think that you will be pleasantly surprised and impressed.

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“Opportunity”? To do what, other than get screwed blue and tattooed?

 

I had heard of Dan Carr re-strikes before this thread but I don't find them interesting enough to collect. That is not a judgment on them. There are coins and exonumia that don't interest me but may be interesting to someone else, which I totally get and respect. However, my understanding was they are novelty pieces that cannot be used as legal tender. Are they legal tender?

 

It would be silly to try to spend one at "face value" given they cost multiple hundreds of times "face value."

Given that fact, they are repurposed legal tender. Likened to a coin with a counter stamp or a carved love token, only these are mostly 100% over stamped. Carved coins like hobo nickels and love tokens have material taken away from them. These do not, they are full weight for their denomination. The intent is for them not to be used as tender. It would be a losing proposition.

 

If the exact same planchets are shipped to China and are used for overstrike, what difference does it make?

It's hypocrisy - nothing more, nothing less. This is a perfect education for Chinese counterfeiters to churn out more high quality counterfeits.

What a joke.

 

That is a good question for the lawyer types however. Below is an example of one of Daniel Carr's overstrikes that is less than 100% coverage. Does it remain "legal tender?"



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Cannot act on hypothetical mental måsterbations. I can conceptualize millions of scenarios that will never happen.

Most angst over this topic is from petulant children having waking nightmares refusing to accept reality.

Time to wake up.

By the way, it's a legal tender US COIN that's being over struck, not a planchet.

Educate yourself.

 

Education? Not a problem. This is an example purchased about 10 years ago.



A rather rare Gansu fat man "coin". If genuine, this is easily a 10000 - 15000 USD coin today. The original host coin is 1911 Qing Dynasty coin. Back then, such genuine coins could be bought cheap for less than 50 dollars - many were sold as junk scrap. A Kansu fat man at that time commanded a respectable 5000 USD. A good 100 times profit.

This will pass both weight and edge test. The only thing that the counterfeiter missed is to strike at a higher pressure to eliminate original host. There are still some details that aren't quite right but this is dangerously close. Keep in mind that this is a sample that's almost a decade old so improvements have been made since then.

This is NOT a good thing for the hobby. I classify this not any better than the Chinese counterfeit shown above.

My question remains unanswered.

 

I understand this point well. I wouldn't spend any of my "junk" U.S., silver at face value. I was just considering whether they are legal tender. The Morgan dollar is interesting. I would guess it is legal tender just as a counter stamped coin would be; still not sure about the coin that is 100% covered.

 

You're literally wasting your time with that engagement

 

Maybe so, but I'm a bit thick headed as well . . . .

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lol no maybe it's definitely. You really think it's the first time that's been brought up? You literally can't win, no matter what you say it's just the same opinions overriding facts grasping at straws over and over

 

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And you raise and excellent point, one that I was unfamiliar with.

HOWEVER, you are missing (or intentionally ignoring) a couple of salient facts with your allegory above.

The arguments are not equivalent, therefore your conclusions are understandably flawed.

Not being fluent in Chinese characters, I cannot read or discern the markings and / or dates of the coin above, however . . . . . . . .

To wit:

1. I am guessing the dates and features of the coin above are those of a coin that actually exists - was actually minted for use. This is not equivalent with Dan Carr's examples. Flaw #1
2. I am guessing the coin above was struck with the intent to defraud. This is not equivalent with Dan Carr's examples. Flaw #2
3. I am guessing the maker of the coin above did not seek tremendous amounts of publicity, publishing the total mintages, dates of production, HIS IDENTITY . . . . This is not equivalent with Dan Carr's examples. Strike #3, and you're out.

Try a better example for your next "argument."

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And my understanding is this is EXACTLY what makes his work different, acceptable, and LEGAL without any kind of "COPY" stamp on them.

The fact that "some" get their panties in a wad over them does not change the fact that they have been vetted by numerous entities in authority and given the green light.

Detractors are simply repeating a mistruth over and over and over again, hoping they will gain some traction with their tired LIES.

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