Coin Doctoring

Well, I read the posts on the CFE board, and it appears there is definitive proof it is one and the same...

 

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Just my opinion, but if you carefully study the random scars, spots, marks, etc, you will conclude it is the same coin. It appears to have been cleaned up, and I find it hard to argue that the fasces have not been 'improved upon.'

As a general statement, I think that the most successful and long-lasting scammers have a mixture of genuine-but-problem coins, tpg slabbed coins, and the occasional fake. They may have good relationships with other dealers (they know they can't get away with much with them) but contempt for the average collector.

 

They need to make something like the facial recognition system, but for coins. Go all CSI on the ebay sellers. :whistle:

 

I dont think you ever sent it. Can you resend it to my mom?

 

Look at post #10. She has already commented.

 

Already sent! I sent it night before last, so you'd have the weekend to complete it, if you were able to. :whistle:

Ribbit

 

You be the judge




The amount of wear and the wear patterns seem to be the same and there are nicks on the obverse(1) and one nick on the obverse(2) that seem identical but that's not quite enough to say they are the same coin. The heavy scratches on Liberty's face don't show on the second coin. The reeding on the reverse of the second coin is far more pronounced on the second coin.

(1) small diagonal scratch just behind front part of Liberty's neck and two scratches on the base of the neck directly left of and in line with the date.
(2) nick at the juncture of the second branch from the bottom on the olive branch

 

You didn't use the right pic, David. Use this one and you will see a LOT more that matches up!

Ribbit

 

I found 5 marks on the obverse and 4 on the reverse that seen to be common to both coins. That is enough to convince me that they are the same coin. I do not know what he did to those fasces, but they sure look better in the second coin.

 

Precisely. The obv image showing a smaller part of the face/neck is much more revealing of the marks. Also note small spot on rim under 16 of date.

 

The fasces have been retooled and the remnants of the scratch are still there. :kewl:

Ribbit

 

I have done lots of business with this guy and never had a problem. He has always had great HONEST communication. I checked the two auctions out and I dont even remotely think they are the same coin. I understand the concern but I think you are really stretching the imagination with this one. As for the so called fake 14D. I studied the pictures of the coin in the auction and the coin was as a genuine 14 d in my counterfeit detection book. The guy probably doesn't know his head from his ass. I find it very hard to believe that a seller of this caliber to be selling a fake 14 D.

 

Coin Talk Code of Honor...Post unto others as you would have them post unto you? And, whatever happened to, 'Don't trash the person.' ??? Obviously, there are a number of inconsiderate reprobates that take part in this forum, that don't abide by the Forum Code. My entire past feedback speaks for my selling record as a whole, and not the one negative that was recently handed down by 'Mark R, the Almighty'! He and all of his crony followers will get their 'just desserts' in time, I'm sure.

Mike/seriouscoins

 

Are you saying that coin ha not been altered?

 

I think that anyone here would expect to be reminded of their indiscretions. We are not trashing you as a person, just your works. You may be a really nice guy but the product you appear to be putting out speaks for itself.

You may have good feedback in general but that only means that you have not been caught by any buyer in dealing altered goods.

Would you care to make a specific responce to the comments made here which apparently show the same two coins, including yours which seems to have been enhanced by removing some defects and recutting missing design features?

 

It's a 'raw' coin. It does not appear to be altered. But, I'm not a third party grader. That's what I say, and stand by it.

Mike/seriouscoins

 

You would make a good politician. All it takes to answer is "Yes" or "No"

 

Totally false accusations. They are two different coins, and I apparently there are a number of Forum contributors, who have too much time 'in their hands'!

Adios! My time is worth more, than putting up with this crap.

Mike/seriouscoins

 

So much for today's fun. I think I got my answer without him answering a thing.

 

Very good detective work, Toad!