Bertolami raises buyers fee again

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Fugio1, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. tartanhill

    tartanhill Well-Known Member

    Like everyone else in the above postings, I really don't like paying high buyer's fees. But when I bid, two things determine how high I am willing to go: how badly do I want the coin and is the price including the fees reasonable. I bought the coin below through Bertolami mainly because I thought it was cheap at the price I paid. And that was including the 24% buyer's fee. I was sure it was a good buy because I had researched it fairly thoroughly before I bid. The coins below the one I purchased are what I used to compare with my purchased coin.

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    Starting Price: 100 GBP
    Price realized: 1000 GBP

    Mysia, Kyzikos, Hekte – Sixth Stater, ca. 500-450 BC; EL (g 2,67; mm 9). Ram standing l. on tunny l.; Rv. Quadripartite incuse square. Von Fritze I 91; SNG BnF 228. Extremely fine


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    Price realized 2'600 EUR

    MYSIA. Kyzikos. EL Hekte (Circa 500-450 BC).
    Obv: Ram standing left on tunny left.
    Rev: Quadripartite incuse square.
    Von Fritze I 91; SNG BN 228.
    Condition: Extremely fine.
    Weight: 2.67 g.
    Diameter: 12 mm.


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    MYSIA, Kyzikos. Circa 500-450 BC. EL Hekte – Sixth Stater (11.5mm, 2.66 g). Ram standing left on tunny left / Quadripartite incuse square. Von Fritze I 91; Boston MFA 1468 = Warren 1554; SNG BN 228. Near EF, toned, slightly off center.
    CNG 103, Lot: 208. Estimate $750.
    Sold for $4250. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.


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    MYSIA, Kyzikos. Circa 500-450 BC. EL Hekte – Sixth Stater (11mm, 2.63 g). Ram standing left on tunny left / Quadripartite incuse square. Von Fritze I 91; SNG France 228; SNG von Aulock –; Boston MFA 1468. Near EF, lightly toned, slight die shift on obverse.
    Triton XVI, Lot: 426. Estimate $1000.
    Sold for $2400. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    Now the coin cost me 1000 GBP or $1300 at the time with a total of $1660 with fees, shipping, and insurance. The three comps I found sold for 2,600 EUR or $3120, $4250, and $2400 before fees. My point is that even with the high buyer's fee of 24%, the coin was a bargain. So it is important to me to do as much research as possible before bidding. I look for undervalued coins and seldom bid more than I think the coin is worth.
     
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  3. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Most of these firms own the coins and have retail-level opening bids, at least when it comes to ancient coins.
     
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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If that true, then let the market drive them out of business.
     
  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I’ll pay it. I am sick and tired of auctions. You see something you like, and some bozo or two drives the bids to the moon. I get hosed at auction 95% of the time. I can count on one hand the times I got “a bargain” over the last 20 years.

    One time I watched a lot I upon which I had left a reserve close on-line at an attractive price. I waited for 40 lots to make sure they didn’t re-open it.

    The next day I saw on a blog where that lot had sold for more than it had closed for at the auction. I called the auction house. Their answer:

    “Oh we missed a ‘snail mail’ bid that we didn’t execute.”

    Like HE**!:vamp: The auction hammer dropped. What are you talking about? We are talking about $1,000 here. You didn’t get the price you expected so you hosed me.

    At one time auction house in the running to my collection. No more.
     
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