Quarter folks....HELP !!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Arizona Jack, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    Check the "whos online" Jim, I'm usually on too, I read all your guys' posts, just bite my tongue half the time:goofer:
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think you guys may be missing the forrest by looking at 1 tree. First thing that came to my mind is that those coins have both been whizzed.

    Jim - talk to Speedy about that S mm. The kid is on the ball on this one and has some as of yet unpublished research.

    As far as the D mm, yeah it does look a little suspicious. Would have to se eit in hand to say for sure. But my main concern would what I mentioned first.
     
  4. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Exactly. My thoughts as well.

    I have the entire set in a Dansco, and will pull some better ones for pics, the 34d,35d,36d, etc for pics tonight. I'm off to a Dr's appointment and will get the set out later. The 32-d&s do stand out as possibly whizzed.
     
  5. andycook

    andycook Supporter**

    I don't do quarters, what are the signs of whizzing on a quarter?

     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's not just quarters, it's the same for any coin. In a nutshell the coin loses all luster and is covered with very, very fine scratches all over that are supposed to simulate luster.

    But the clincher for this coin in particular is the hair. Look at how dark the recessed areas are while the entire rest of the coin is as clean as a whistle. That dark color is the normal gun metal grey that silver coins tone to most of the time.
     

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  7. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    If you have the coin in-hand, you should be able to tell by examining it with a loupe of 10x power or so. Any stronger magnification (20x or greater) will make the hairlines painfully obvious.
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    If Whizzing lines are circular or angular with respect to the rim, do you see the same type of "cartwheel" when "twirling" it as with the original flow lines that are perpendicular ( more or less) to the rim? I would think it would be much less or at least very noticeable in hand. I do grant this would not be noticeable very well in a flat photo.

    Jim
     
  9. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    I will get a post up tonight with high res pics and macros, and also comparisons to others in the set with zero problems. Only a cpl in this set have the " look " like these, the others are fine.

    I took in a complete set in " BU " in trade for an SVDB, but have nothing at stake, my job is to sell the set, take my 10%, then apply the 90% to the SVDB.
     
  10. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    This thread is interesting, but this one photo has been the most informative piece in a long time for me. It is very telling and clears up a lot about wizzing for me. Thanks GD.

    I have another stupid question while we are at it. What would cause the area around the mm to be dished out? Simple logic would tell me that with the force of the mm being punched in the die would make it bulge up if anything.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You've answered your own question and don't realize it. It would make it bulge up slightly on the die - which in turn would create a dished out effect on the coin now wouldn't it ?

    Remember - raised areas on the die create incuse areas on the coin and recessed areas on the die create raised areas on the coin.
     
  12. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    But if the mm was punched in a (working die) it would indent the die causing a raise in the coin. Or am I thinking crooked?
     
  13. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    The 1932 S is %100 genuine... no doubts.. cleaned... but real..

    the 1932 D... I'm going to venture out and say that it is real (just a gut feeling) but also cleaned...

    1932 D's the mintmarks always seem to be set in a hole...

    I could be wrong...
     
  14. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    You are assuming that the MM on the punch is taller than the MM is deep on the die regardless of how hard the die is pinched. Are you sure that is a valid assumption? If, when the die is punched, the MM goes as deep as the punch, the punch would them start to dent the die.
     
  15. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    According to everything I have looked at , both coins are at least genuine.

    The 32-D is notorious for die scratches on the reverse, and this has them. A 1932 p mint coin does not have them, AND, this appears to be a d/d ( it is not, I said appears ) and that is one of the tools as well, the 32-D has a machne doubled mintmark in many cases, something an added D would not show in most cases. Mintmark shape is dead on with my PCGS book.

    Getting more pics is a pain as everything is put away and I feel like crap. I'll try again tonight.

    Anyways, the owner of the set wants 10 of these higher dollar coins to go to PCGS before they are sold, even if the pair shown above only get genuine holders.
     
  16. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Jack,

    Now I am confused! Are you saying that the owner wants 10 of the coins in the set to go to PCGS or there are a total 10 1932-D and 1932-S Washington Quarters?


    Frank
     
  17. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    And if the punch dented the die it would cuase a raised area on the coin correct? Sorry about all the questions, I get a little confussed with all the negative/positive image shifts that occur from model to hub to working dies, to coins.
     
  18. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    He wants the 32-D &S, 34-D,35 d&s,36-d&s and a cpl others, I have the list in my webmail. 38-s,39-s and 40-d if I remember correctly.
     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Never mind. That logic is bass ackwards. Were the die dented, the coin would be raised. i.e., what you are saying is correct. When the MM is punched in the die, the "mm being punched in the die would make it bulge up if anything". Yes, the die "bulges up" because the displace metal from the die has to go somewhere. The bulge in the die equals a depression around the MM on the coin.
     
  20. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    What is the possibility they left a raised spot on the die so they would know where to place the mm? just a thought.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    0 chance, the entire die is first ground flat before anything else is done.
     
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