1922 Plain

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ejedi, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    I am pretty new - but find it interesting that the 1922 plain is the only "error" coin listed in many albums - I have a Dansco with proofs, but am I correct that the rest of the coins listed are either variations or proofs - the 1922 plain I would consider "error"

    Thoughts??
     
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  3. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Most all albums I've seen include the 1922 plain. Really, IMO, it's a bad decision because it is indeed an error coin. One of many reasons I don't use albums.
     
  4. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    I think I will put a nice shiney Canadian cent in that spot......just to make a statement...
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Most albums I have seen list the 1955DD. Is that not an error. What about the 42-41 dimes?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's a matter of definitions but most consider them to be varieties - not errors. Technically though, the '42/41 dime is an error - '55 DDO is not.
     
  7. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    Could you explain why the difference in the examples above? Inquiring minds want to know. :thumb:
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If memory serves with the '42/41 they used the wrong hub when they re-hubbed the master die.
     
  9. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    I thought the 22 Plain DIE 2 was not really an error either. Im sure they knew what was going on at the time but it was during the depression and they didn't have the money to keep reworking the dies.
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    OOPS! Depression started in 1929 unless they are rewriting that history also.
     
  11. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    I thought the 22 Plain was "grease" in the die not making the D - I would call that error.

    As stated I am a rookie, what is the story with the 55?? I thought it was struck twice - in error?? I don't know too much about that one....
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    There were 4 dies used for the 1922. the 3 with teh weak reverse were grease. Die #2 is believed to be the result of a die clash. See http://lincolncentresource.com/1922Ddievarieties.html.

    In the case of the 1955/55, the die was struck twice. Thus "doubled die".
     
  13. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Certain coins got better promotions than others.
    That certainly includes, but is not limited to, all the coins mentioned in this thread.
    They became so hyped that a space was made in most albums.
    The 1895 Morgan is another.
    And the bottom line is that many collectors have become annoyed, mostly because they can't afford these coins.

    Think of the youngster trying to figure out how he'll EVER be able to afford a 1909-SVDB. Then he looks at his album and sees the hole for the 1922 No D.
    That could almost cause him to quit right there.

    I think beginners should start with the Jefferson nickels.
    I don't think any of the varieties show up in those albums.
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Neither is an error. They are both doubled dies and they are varieties. The 22 "plain" is neither an error or a variety, it is a late die state. (Actually the strong reverse is a late die state, the 22 plain's with the weak reverses that come from the mintmark being filled by grease ARE actually errors. But a grease filled die is a minor error.)
     
  15. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    At least the 1909 s vdb is a coin that was minted on purpose for release - not a worn-our die, grease, clash, etc....those are the ones that tick me off...although my albums don't list the 55.
     
  16. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    add the double dies to my list of things that make me mad for being in the album....I understand the big/little dates, etc (although I am not a big fan) but these others don't belong in the album...

    More power to you if you want to collect them, it should just be outside the album....my thoughts anyway
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Now Conder - dang you, we had this discussion the last time this subject came up and YOU were the one who said the '42/41 dime WAS an error because of the hubbing. You corrected me back then because I had always considered it a variety.

    Now I like the heck out of ya pal, but dang it - ya can't have it both ways :D
     
  18. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    Ask Doug. He has lived through it all. ;)
     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Maybe I don't have the experiences he has had, but I come closer to the depression than he.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Gonna getcha for that !!:p
     
  21. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    error...variety...error....variety

    :desk:;)
     
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