I would also like to see a different angle... try from about a 45 degree angle or even steeper... this should show that it is down into the coin.
buster stated in his opening post 'it has a big sink hole or indentation' you had better check your reading skills before accusing someone of false information.
jazz relax, this is a community forum, lets keep it non-violent. You said of LostDutchman "you are a new commer without enough experiance in the field" you've obviously not checked out his coin site. Where's yours? edited Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. If you don't like the coin, don't trash the person.
Ok, well since your going to start name dropping... I have known Chuck and been a huge fan and supporter of his work for a looooong time... We did work together on the 2001 wide AM's and close AM cents....when they first came out... not to mention quite a few late nights testing new website changes for his site... somewhere on his website you will find my name in the thank you section... HERE I bet you didn't bother to tell Chuck that the person holding it in their hand says that it is NOT raised and that it appears to be recessed into the coin... without this information the picture can be deceiving as I have stated before... not to mention chuck is a variety guy and not necessarily an error guy Joe, I'm not worried about you, I'm not gonna start a flame war with you... I just want you to make sure that what your saying is correct before you say it... This website and other websites like it are AWESOME resources for people... They can be ruined and tainted by misinformation from people who think they know more then they do.
Well when the op post the new pic then we will see you can't go on somebodys word the evidence is in the pic shows raised blob so who is right or wrong at this point. We don;t know if this individual is playing games do we ,and ROCKdude you have been following the other individuals that were targeting me so please don;t talk.there's a reason for why you are doing that. If you read my posts i also said it could be grease caked up on the coin which will be a struck thru, but we don;t know that for sure. If you don;t see the clear evidenace in the pic then i;m worried about you with wrong information. Jazzcoins joe hybrid alien form Zec
That will be enough gentelmen. If you can't keep it civil and treat others with respect then the thread will be closed. Any more name calling and Infractions will be given.
Yes, pictures can be quite deceiving. It is not uncommon at all for a depression in a coin to appear to be a raised surface. That said, I would think there are 2 possibilities - a strike-through or a lamination. But I find the lamination more likely given that the 1 & 9 are visible in the date which is inside the affected area. If it were a strike-through of that severity/depth, I doubt the 1 or 9 would be visible.
Doug, You are right! A "Strike Thru" would have obliterated or nearly obliterated the "1" and "9" in the Date. That is why I stated that it is a Lamination (De-lamination) Flaw (Error). If Jazz will just go back and read the original post by the OP in this Thread, then he should understand that the OP has the coin in hand and states that there is a big hole and the "1" and "9" in the Date are in that hole. Therefore, there is no way that it is a result of glue! Frank
I agree that it is a possibile that it could be a lamination... im personally leaning more towards a strike through... but definitely not glue. Just need some more pics. If it wasn't struck through something hard there is a possibility that the numbers would show.
As others have said, it appears to be a struck-through error. It is impossible to identify the precise nature of the foreign matter responsible for the indentation.
Question Mike - I can see how the 9 might show if it was strike-through, since it is on the edge of the affected area. But how would the 1 still be so visible with a strike-through ? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Would not a lamination if it were gone from the area that was struck leave no trace of the one? Where as a struck through item could vary in thickness thus leaving the one.
:whistle::whistle::whistle: The other possiblity which i stated in an earlier posts could be grease that happened to pile up on (POST 10 19 28 ) on the surface Here;s a Candian coin that i posted that resembles the op's coin but not quite The coin I ;m showing is called a struck thru grease canadian coin. planchets may pick up grease from various sources in the mint prior from being struck :whistle::whistle::whistle: Jazzcoins Joe
I can't entirely exclude the possibility of a lamination error. What leads me to think it's more likely a struck-through error is the smooth floor of the depression (i.e., no striations), and the absence of any cracking or peeling elsewhere on the coin. The depression isn't all that deep, so either a struck-through error or a lamination error will leave a blurred remnant of the design. A very deep strike through will betray no sign of the design; by the same token, a very deep lamination peel will carry away the entire design. So by itself, presence/absence of the design is not a reliable diagnostic for distinguishing between the two errors.
No, it wouldn't. People often think of the design of a coin just being on top of the coin, but it isn't. It goes deep into the coin. Let me explain it this way. If you were take a coin and file off the design so that you couldn't see anything - it just appeared to be flat. And then you treated the coin with acid, the design would reappear. The acid would eat away the softer metal of the fields leaving the harder, more compressed metal of the design visible again. Same thing happens with laminations.
Had not considered that, a good point. Would not think that to be a very good indicator as laminations can often occur in just one spot. Yes, they can at times be visible elsewhere, but by no means are they always.
Planchets may pick up grease from various sources from the mint prior from being struck this could be a grease job struck thru like i said in three of my post I never said it was a definate glue job.but still possible jazzcoins joe
