Germany comes down on Collectors with a heavy hand

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Drusus, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. andrew289

    andrew289 Senior Analyst


    ROFLMFAO ....now THAT was hilarious !!!
    Not coin related but worthy of Jay Leno.

    Ron Paul and Lincoln in the same sentence ... what a joke.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That will be enough with the political commentary.
     
  4. Five4Fighting

    Five4Fighting Junior Member

    Yikes, just read this, I hope and pray that the USA Dont go this rout, with a new President you never know what damage they can do to us. I know a lot of gun collectors are alarmed about Obama- hope us Coin Collectors dont have to be afraid of him.
     
  5. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    It may be a valid concern but most ancient coins are so numerous that it is absurd. I've heard that in both Italy and India ancient coins are everywhere and no only that, but in India they still circulate. In Israel they are also nearly everywhere. Unless coins are found in a specific arceological site of some importance, than this is just nonsense. In Europe, Bordeaux when I was there, they are constantly renovating middle ages structures for apartments and find things, and a lot of coins, Not everything that is ancient is a legitimate archaeological site. In the real old world, the Middle East, China and India, these cities have existed for millennium and are still living cities. Not everything is the Ur Tell.

    Ruben
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Just because something is private ground, and NY everything just about is Private outside of the Adirondacks and the Catskills, doesn't mean there isn't a public interest. I think significant landmarks and discoveries need protection and land owners should be compensated.

    However, that is largely besides the point.

    Every Morgan Dollar isn't a significant archaeological find.

    As an aside, the largest nature preserve in North America is the Aderondecks in Upstate NY. You can see it clearly from satellite. and I'm wondering how that stands up to the Federal lands in Utah,

    And yet those are the easiest finds to show pedigree on.

    Ruben
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Well Ruben the entire state of NY is only 54,475 square miles - while Utah is 84,904. That should answer your question.

    edit - just you can begin to understand how much land the govt. owns out here -

    Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico insofar as rural holdings are concerned, have within their boundaries 88.5 percent of the total land area in Federal ownership.

    source - US Congress Committee Print #23 - Federal land Ownership And The Public Land Laws
     
  8. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I appreciate that. I actually think that it is good. I don't think the entire continent needs to be divided up and farmed on. I see that unprotected areas in the Appalachians and Finger Lakes areas are like and not a good outcome. The entire country east of the Mississippi was deforested before the country woke up. The thing is that there is different kinds of Federal Land Management and a Federal Forrest has a lot of private lumber business, or example, mining and so on. The Adirondacks was the prototype for the National Parks Service and is different in that regard. It is still the largest Natural reserve in North America and the restrictions on the park have steadily increased over the decades. Even lands within it that are privately owned are strictly regulated. The result has been a blossoming of the environment and strangely enough, although there has been much economic displacement over the decades, it is much better economically now. Prior to the Park the area was nearly stripped down to its bare bones in resources.

    Ruben
     
  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    The Adirondack Park is a publicly-protected area located in northeast New York. It is the largest park in the contiguous United States, the largest National Historic Landmark, and the largest area protected by any U.S. state.

    The park covers some 6.1 million acres (24,700 km²), a land area about the size of Vermont, or of the Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Glacier, and Great Smoky Mountains National Parks combined.

    Much land is directly controlled by the state's Forest Preserve, but more than half the land within the Adirondack Park is privately owned, including several villages and hamlets.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adirondack_Park
     
  10. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    I can think of dozens, if not hundreds. That's just counting people I know personally.

    Most of them have a very optimistic view of the future, due to their gratitude about the past and present. :thumb:
     
  11. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Not so. It's not even the largest in the Lower 48 States.

    That honor belongs to the Frank Church / River of No Return Wilderness in Idaho, at well over three million acres. Coupled with the adjacent Selway Bitterroot Wilderness, the two are well over 5 million acres.

    That's some awesome stuff there, my friends.

    I suppose there are Wilderness areas in Alaska and Canada which are larger.
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Ok - I annotated...

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    The Adirondack Park is a publicly-protected area located in northeast New York. It is the largest park in the contiguous United States, the largest National Historic Landmark, and the largest area protected by any U.S. state.

    The park covers some 6.1 million acres (24,700 km²), a land area about the size of Vermont, or of the Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Glacier, and Great Smoky Mountains National Parks combined.

    Much land is directly controlled by the state's Forest Preserve, but more than half the land within the Adirondack Park is privately owned, including several villages and hamlets.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adirondack_Park


    Ruben
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You guys are mixing apples and oranges. Yes, Adirondack Park is the largest publicly protected area outside of Alaska. But it is not a National Park, nor is it anything like one. It's not even like most state parks. It contains dozens of school districts and even more towns. As was stated much of the land is privately owned. It has more zip codes than many states. And has a population approaching 150,000. About the only thing that makes like a park at all is that the land is protected.

    You can find out more about it - HERE
     
  14. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    its more like a national park than Gateway.

    Maybe i can make my point better like this

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    The circle is the Adirondek park. Now where is Yellowstone or Utah?


    It is about as protected a place as any on earth and all government controlled, weather privately owned or publicly owned.

    see the point?

    Ruben
     
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