What dealers would you not recommend

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Rushmore, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I think it's a bigger risk to purchase an over-graded or cleaned coin than to pay too much for a properly graded nice coin, so saying that a dealer is high priced isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen.
     
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  3. coinblogger

    coinblogger Senior Member

    I have to agree with you about Littleton and other high priced, but solid grading coin dealers. If you are buying coins with the intent of holding them for a long time, I think that paying a premium for peace of mind on the grading is worth the premium.
     
  4. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    Yes, Littleton grades accuratley and they have some very nice coins.
    But there is no need to pay that premium if you know how to grade and have a dealer who doesn't overcharge.
     
  5. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Paying premium for premium coins is not new.

    Remember, it's hurts more to sell the average coins than it does to buy them.

    Any specialist dealer will cherry the primos, and will charge accodingly. If you want a primo set, you'll pay a primo price. Always , and I mean always, buy the best you can find and afford.

    Many of the great all time collections that have auctioned and been sold, when purchased for " moon money" at the time of purchase, bring " moon money " when sold. Multiples of sheet in most cases.
     
  6. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    I just read the entire thread......
    Folks, I really appreciate the thumbs up, but lets not turn cointalk into an advertisment. I would prefer if this was done by PM and email. I love to sell coins, but please, understand the load that comes with being the " Lincoln guy" or the " Barber guy" or the " Toning guy"

    Your thoughts are well intentioned, but I prefer to do it privatly......

    Aj
     
  7. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    Chesapeake is in MD. What happened was I responded to an ad in Numisimatic News. 100 BU Nickels for $10. I only got 10 dates out of them, I called him to let him know I was sending them back as I did not want 40 1965's. He was rude and condescending about it.
     
  8. Rono

    Rono Senior Member

    Howdy,

    I've also had good luck with Dave's, G&F and L&C.

    rono


     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Before you ever respond to such an ad again, read the fine print. I have never, ever, seen such an ad where they did not say - dates of our choice.

    What you experienced is what happens just about every single time. Most people realize this and do not respond to such ads because of that.

    Those ads are not targeted to collectors looking for a wide assortment of dates. They are targeted to other dealers looking to buy coins in bulk so that they can make up rolls of them to sell. They want a lot of the coins to be the same date.
     
  10. Rono

    Rono Senior Member

    As for questionable dealers, it's sort of a mixed bag.

    I've gotten sliders and stuff from Sims, Sartosi, Skyline, etc. - some of the big dealers from CoinWorld.

    Yet, when I've sent them back, I've gotten nice coins in return.

    Also, I've had VERY good luck buying bullion coins - eagles and such - from Sims and Coast to Coast. I also had good luck with Gold Rarities and Teaparty.

    Bottom line, is you're buying raw coins, you need to study them closely when you receive them.

    peace,

    rono
     
  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    "What dealers would you not recommend What dealers would you not recommend"

    I'm going to take a non-traditional approach to answering, if you don't mind...

    The number of dealers on that list is inversely proportional to the experience level of the collector. ;)

    In other words, when you're new to the hobby, you have to be VERY careful who you buy coins from. As one becomes more experienced, one can purchase from increasingly more dealers. Because, in the end, buying coins (and selling) is about two things -- the coin and the price.

    As long as the guy's not a crook (and believe me, there are a few of them around), the advanced collector can buy from virtually anyone. However, the newbie collector (and we've ALL been there!), needs to proceed with caution.

    Respectfully...Mike
     
  12. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    That is what every one should think about. I remember back when evey one I knew said never buy a Buick because they are the worst gas gusslers of all cars. So what was that based on. No one really knew. But once a rumor starts, it just grows.
    As to a list of coin dealers, that is something that should be done somewhere with inputs such as on ebay. And only when there is about 50 or something inputs would the name be posted. And it could be so that there is bad, poor, good, OK and great lables. Of course such a list could be tampered with as is ebay with a lot of inputs from the dealers themselves. Such as with ebay.
    Still would be something if there was a kept up to date list of coin dealers somewhere.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't care who the seller is, if he has been in business for very long you're going to hear good and bad reports about them.

    But it's just like on ebay - what is more important than the report, be it good or bad, is who is giving the report. Unknowing or uneducated buyers often feel like they didn't get a fair deal when in fact they did get a fair deal. And so will often report that they will never buy from so and so again.

    So rather than pay attention to what you hear or read about this dealer or that dealer being good or bad - pay more attention to who is telling you.
     
  14. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    er uncle GD any dealers you had a bad experience with?
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Actually no. But then I have always been quite careful and checked out anybody I was considering buying a coin from sight unseen. If I was buying sight seen, never really had to worry about it.

    Once in my life I bought a counterfeit, but it wasn't from a coin dealer. I learned from that mistake and never made it again.
     
  16. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    As has been mentioned read the fine print.

    I generally have always steered clear of "full page ad" dealers. That in itself cost a lot of money.
    I have had GOOD experiences with the few I have traded with.
    Steve Estes helped me complete my number one set of Two Cent Pieces. I liked the fact that I could actually call and talk to him. At one point I inquired about a piece and he told me it was NOT the coin for me - wouldn't display well with the others. Hard to find that kind of honesty but he knew what I was looking for.

    I've also done a few transactions with JJTeaparty. Good pictures and great communication. Never had a problem with them.

    If one gets into paper I like Denley's of Boston. I've never dealt with them online but have at shows on many occasions.
    First City Currency is good as well.

    You get what is advertised from all four of these sellers.
     
  17. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    tell us the story of the counterfeit
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not much to tell spock. I was young, stupid and made a mistake. Bought something from an individual I didn't even know when I had nothing there with me to check the coin.
     
  19. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    It is always a good mental excercise to watch the buy ads that those full page / two page guys run, then watch a month later.

    Example, in this months Numismatist, a very large CW/NN advertiser is buying choice AU early type. Next month they will be selling " Select BU ".
    They do it all the time on the teletype for " clean cheek " slider Morgans, do you think they sell " clean cheek " sliders? Nope, always Select BU's.
     
  20. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Another problem with stories or reports about a certain dealer is a time frame. By that I mean a dealer could start out bad and become great over time. Or in reverse, start out great and sink to a horror story.
    An example of there was a new cleaners not far from me. I tried them out on shirts since I like mine looking great for work. For practically pennies they came back clean, pressed, on hangers and in plastic bags. Slowly thier buisness grew, they hired more and less caring personal. Slowly thier prices rose and their output became horrible. Eventually they went out of buisness and probably never knew why.
    This sort of thing could and probably does happen to all types of buisnesses and that includes coins.
    In the downtown area of Chicago there was a coin store and I can't remember the name. They too were great for prices, friendly, good products and anything else you could want. Eventually they were bought by someone else. Prices went up, almost all cleaned coins, no participation in local coin shows, rude and ignorant personal.
    So that is my idea of why you just can't say a coin dealer is good, bad, great or horrible. People change and so do buisnesses.
     
  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    well how about a coin story thats as good as the treasure story then?
     
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