Die cracks??

here;s a pic of what a retained die break is rim to rim this was taken from the coneca web page a reliable source of information i think

Jazzcoins joe
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you are right. that is ONE form of a retained die break

 

I'm not trying to be rude Ziggy what is another form of a retained die break

I would like to learn please tell me, because i honestly don't know


Jazzcoins Joe

 

look at the above posted picture with the arrows, center is broken from the die and press slightly inward instead of dropping out.

 

Thank you Ziggy

Jazzcoins joe

 

I believe the die orientation for cents in 1956 was obverse/hammer die. It doesn't seem probable that there could be a retained break, as in a piece breaking loose from the die. Wouldn't it just fall out?

 

not if it was also jammed further into the face of the die which is what causes this area to be raised above the rest of the coin.

Richard

 

If that were to happen it would show up as a depression on the coin not a raised area.

 

Sorry, but a depression on the die shows as a raised area on the coin. If the break is pushed slightly into the die the result would be a raised area not a depression

Richard

 

I agree. A void in the die shows up as raised metal on a coin.

But if a piece from the die gets "jammed further into the face of the die" and was sticking out it would show up as depression on the coin. But before that happens, could you tell me your theory on how a piece from the die gets "jammed further into the face of the die" [?]

 

I agree with you it;s not a retained die break but just a die break called the cracked skull as you also made clear in your post Thanks for clearing that up longnine 009

Here's a cracked skull 55 d cent with the die break on the head my coin

Jazzcoins

 

if you look at the area within the cracks pointed out by the arrows you will see that the area is raised which means that it is further in the die than the area surrounding it. It also shows that the pattern of Lincoln's hair is still present, which is not possible if the break fell out, therefor it is a retained die break because the broken piece is STILL THERE.

 

Listen to what this person has to say an he did correct you in this thread This is a cracked skull with a die break on the head they were classfied like this in the sixties known as a diebreak. No retained die break die crack near we


I hope we don't start this again maybe I will just avoid your posts


Jazzcoins joe

 

Correction:he tried to correct me in his post, however the photo shows that the piece of die is still there. This is shown by the fact that the hair details are still there it DID NOT fall out, therefor it is retained. please feel free to ignore my posts, but if you continue to argue against the photo proof I will continue to defend my position. please don't argue the facts just to try to irritate.

 

I'm not trying to irritate you,these specific coins cracked skulls are considered die breaks > there are so many of these, and there not errors but to some they still are.So please search the internet and put in cracked skulls die breaks on cents ,and then you will see.

.Jazzcoins Joe

 

Yes it is a die break. the specific type is a RETAINED die break, unlike the dime you posted with a "die break" that had a lump on the back of the head these still have the details of the die on the area which is raised which means the part of the die that makes that impression is still there, just slightly recessed into the die.

 

If a die break was pushed into the die there would be a void behind it that would have the same effect as a piece out of the die. Since it would have to displace metal to be pushed into the die, the void it caused would be a piece out the die error with the addition of a retained die break in front of it and some remarkable classification possibilities.

But I don't believe a die break can be pushed into several inches of die steel that's equally strong if not stronger than the die break. Certainly more sturdy than a piece that broke from it.

Perhaps if some of the metal on the bottom of the die break flaked off it could sit lower, but what force caused it to flake and what would be keeping it in place?

Lincoln cents from the 50's are notorious for have mulitple die cracks (cracked skulls). I have one where die cracks form the letter "B."