1909-s ANACS "weak vdb"

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  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-Linc...3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:4|65:1|39:1|240:1318

    I was curious about the cents labeled as "weak vdb". I have'nt seen that designation on NGC or PCGS slabs, do they exist on those slabs? I'm curious because it seems to severely affect the ending price of the coin. In reality though, it is still a 1909-s vdb, right? Is it just die wear that causes the vdb to be weak? Wouldn't it cross into an NGC or PCGS slab as a 09-s vdb? If this is true, it would seem strange to me for the seller to keep it in an ANACS slab with a "weak vdb", if it would not have that designation in a higher tier NGC or PCGS slab. I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but hopefully someone can fill me in with the facts. What really is the point of calling it a "weak vdb"?

    thanks.
     
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  3. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    it only comes 2 ways as far as I know, so its either a 1909-s, or a 1909-s vdb. weak or not its a vbd.
     
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I remember seeing something about those before (on eBay), but I just took them at their word. I can see the VDB, so I see not reason it would not cross, but at what grade? Ask yourself why someone (fairly recently) sent that to ANACS in stead of PCGS or NGC. That could have cost them a couple hundred. Maybe they know something we don't?
     
  5. rld14

    rld14 Custom User Title

    Weak VDB? It's because the coin is worn. It's a VDB or not a VDB, it's not like you can be a little bit pregnant.
     
  6. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    That coin looks quite worn. The obverse 09 seems very worn. So, it struck me as odd that the "S" looks pretty strong.

    Could this be a 1909 vdb with an added S that got by ANACS? Doesn't seem likely as they are quite good at authenticating genuine coins...but mistakes do happen.

    Bruce
     
  7. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Weak VDB's do exsist, I have seen them raw and ANACS slabbed. I will not pretend to know about them , and I have avoided the ones I have seen at all costs. I have zero idea as to value.

    Never seen a WEAK VDB in a NGC or PCGS slab, only ANACS
     
  8. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    Maybe the "weak vdb" label is ANACS way of giving you a hint that even though they graded it VG8, if you try to cross it it will come back G6 or G4.
     
  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    anacs is what anacs does...
     
  10. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Yeah, the few I've seen seem to sell for considerably lower than an equally graded counterpart. It would definitely be a turn-off if I was considering purchasing, but I just don't see the point in attributing it as such. I don't see other coins that have weak details in certain areas attributed as "weak United", or "Weak shield". I would prefer to have the coin graded and authenticated and let the remaining details speak for themselves. Even if this coin only crossed at a G-6 with NGC with no vdb comment, I'm willing to bet that it would sell for considerably more. I don't know, just my opinion.
     
  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    All my SVDBs are strong on the initials but have S's so weak you can't even see them. :D
     
  12. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Sounds kind of like mine, except mine have really weak VDBs as well.:headbang:
     
  13. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist


    HAHAHA!! Well, if you put your coin up on ebay and mention that in the auction, I'm willing to bet there will be SOMEONE that believes you.:goofer:
    -just kidding btw-
     
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