My first Ancient

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  1. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I received this from hotwheelsearl for my B-day and I have no clue what I have but I absolutely love it. I told him that I would do a write up but don't know where to start, that's where you the mighty ancients experts come in . Just need some info and direction to carry on my research . Thank You .
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Wow ! Truly the best B-day ever . TY to you and Hotwheels !!
     
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  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Glad you finally got it. It’s a rather sharp Gallienus bronze antoninianus, or radiate.

    the deity in the reverse is holding scales and a cornucopia.

    sorry then flan is too small for a full legend in the reverse.

    I know attribution... will post the answer here tomorrow :)
     
  6. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Ok Thank You !!! I absolutely love it . When's your Bday ? I'll have to send you something too . If your like my Bro' in law , you probably have everything I have so I'll have to get creative I guess .
     
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  7. TuckHard

    TuckHard Well-Known Member

    Hey, that's really cool of him! Shoutout to hotwheelsearl for opening a new lane for OP. Interestingly, my first ancient coin was also a Roman piece minted under Gallienus! I bought mine at my first coinshow when I was probably about 13 or 14.

    265-267 CE AE Antoninianus Gallienus Rome Mint.jpg
    Roman Empire
    Gallienus | 265-267 CE
    BI Antoninianus
    Rome Mint​
     
  8. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Congrats on your first old coin! It looks a bit like this one:
    Gal Aeq scales acs.jpg
    Gallienus. A.D. 253-268. BI antoninianus (24.4 mm, 3.18 g, 12 h). Antioch mint, struck A.D. 262-264. GALLIENVS P F AVG, radiate and draped bust right / AEQVITAS AVG, Aequitas standing left, holding scales and cornucopia. Göbl 1610b ; RIC 626; RSC 28c. aVF, fully silvered.
    Agora Auctions
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3070850
    I found this coin by searching for Gallienus bronze antoninianus scale cornucopia on acsearch.info.

    I like coins with scales. At least two dieties hold them: Aequitas and Moneta. You can read AEQVITAS on your coin. Note the Romans used V for U. My coin of Diocletian with Moneta and a scale.
    Diocletian Moneta scales MA shops boersema.jpg
     
  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    yeah it does , but there are little difference on the deity side ( reverse? ). Does this make a difference?
     
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  10. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Aaaaaw, @TuckHard, you reminded me of my first ancient, a Victorinus. I was six; we were visiting my smart uncle, who loaned me the $6.50 or so (right, Really steep for those days, but who knew?). Dang, I wish I still had it.
     
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  11. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @SensibleSal66, Just did a quick look at Wildwinds, doing a Ctrl-F for "Moneta" from the page for Gallienus. By simple elimination, it looks as if yours is definitely Aequitas. ...Another cool thing about ancient (and medieval) coins is that, since the engraving, along with the minting, was all by hand, there are endless little variations on the same designs. As such, some are more important, numismatically, some are less so.
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  13. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    equitas is the Latin concept of justice, equality, conformity, symmetry, or fairness. It is the origin of the English word "equity". In ancient Rome, it could refer to either the legal concept of equity, or fairness between individuals.
     
  14. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    This is all I have so far. At least I started my research . Got to start somewhere I guess. Now I got the ancient "bug "
     
  15. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    very nice coin and very nice of ol' Earl..and a thumbs up for melord too...! :)...i reckon we owe @Ryro a shoutout for sending me Julia/Venus and starting this trend of goodness....today i'm 62..boo hoo boo hoo?!?(naw, happy to be here, happy to be alive!:))....
     
  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    August 29 for me :)
     
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coin and I am glad that you got it. Hopefully you will stock with ancients.
     
  18. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Very nice indeed.
     
  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Notice how the reverse legend ends in -TAVG... can AEQVITAS fit fully?

    still the right deity, but that spelling should narrow it down considerably
     
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  20. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    You're well on your way, @SensibleSal66, especially with your research into the context. Congratulations on that front, too! One cool thing about your coin is that, between Aequitas and Moneta, Aequitas is the more comprehensive, effectively subsuming the connotations of Moneta.
    (...I can't not be reminded of the places in the Tanakh (/Old Testament), where false weights are excoriated (esp. Proverbs 11:1 and 20:23). Right, in terms of historical and cultural context, that's a leap, if not a dive. But the Biblical connotations are no less emphatically about commercial dealings, whether or not coins were even involved. It's that cool that the Romans got the concept, at the level of basic ethics.)
     
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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Whoah, @ominus1, you're beating me by three years, as of the next birthday. ...Right, you kind of have to say, 'Welp, this is what you get for living this long.'
    And, Congratulations! At least for living this long....
     
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