1944-D Jefferson Nickel NGC MS67--Star?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Lehigh96, Sep 10, 2008.

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Does this Jefferson deserve the STAR designation

  1. YES

    13 vote(s)
    52.0%
  2. NO

    12 vote(s)
    48.0%
  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I want to know what everyone thinks about this coin. Does it deserve a star designation or not. If you have any comments/reasons why they would also be very helpful.

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Very funky color, and the hits on the cheek keep it down.

    Also, looks a bit weak on the windows of the memorial.
    [reverse].
     
  4. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Does it deserve a star? Yes.

    Does it deserve MS-67? No.

    Am I surprised NGC graded it MS-67? No.
     
  5. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    I voted No.

    but personally I dont think it should get a star.
    the colors look too artificial to me.
     
  6. TC2007

    TC2007 Senior Member

    Lehigh,
    Is it the norm for NT coins to be toned on both sides? I don't have a lot of knowledge in that area.
     
  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Toning on both sides is not really an indicator of NT or AT. This coin is an example from the appalachian hoard. These nickels are widely considered AT, but the hoard was graded and encapsulated by NGC years ago when they considered the toning market acceptable. Presently the slab has the now defunct T designation. I have examined this coin at length and can't determine whether or not the toning is natural. The colors (green, pink, and gold) are common on war nickels but the progression of the colors specifically on the obverse is very questionable. The depth of the toning is outstanding and it in no way impedes the luster. My feeling about the appalachians is that if they are AT, they were done by a very skilled coin doctor.

    All of the other appalachians that I own are in new slabs and were given the star designation, but they also came from a pedigreed collection (Bingham). I would really like to resubmit this coin to NGC for star designation review as it is in a holder that pre-dates the star designation, but am worried that they will not give it the star because they will immediately recognize it as an appalachian. Even though they have given other appalachians the star, I am worried that this one without the Bingham pedigree will not star. Presently, 6 of my 10 registry war nickels have the star designation and this coin with a star would give me an additional 190 points. I am presently in 9th place and over 300 points behind number 8.

    Based on the results of this poll, I think I will hold off on sending it to NGC and wait until I complete my set to see if I really need the extra points. The best finish I can hope for is 3rd place. The top two spots are simply out of reach.

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    BTW guys: This coin is not overgraded by NGC standards. In fact it is noticeably cleaner than many of my MS67 war nickels. However, this would never go above MS66 in a PCGS Holder.
     
  8. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    For me that nick on the face, so obvious and glaring would keep it at a 65 best grade for me.
     
  9. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    I believe it deserves a star, but that's just me. I like it, nice coin! :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  10. nickelman

    nickelman Coin Hoarder

    Even though I read your post where you explained the Star I still do not get it? I personally like the nickel star or no star!
    Thanks for sharing! I think my wife thinks I'm looking at porn by the way I drool when looking at pictures of your toned nickels! LOL
     
  11. 6StepStucky

    6StepStucky Member

    Excellent coin with truly spectacular color toning. I believe it is natural toning. I had one similarly toned it was a PCGS MS66FS. The gentleman who bought it lived in the Chicago area. We use to use ebay in the late 90’s to buy our nickels. notcronus Give it a star.
     
  12. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    There is no question in my mind that it does deserve a star what a beauty a nice mixture of colors a wonderful unique natural toned coin a work of nautural toned art it looks like an abstarct painting . I would say the grade should be a MS67star Lehigh

    Jazz
     
  13. skrilla

    skrilla That Guy

    Did they star them then? Someone pointed out in the other post that they didn't put FS on the grade. This one has T for toned and I remember seeing many with W for white.
     
  14. coinblogger

    coinblogger Senior Member

    That is an awesome nickle. What does the star designate?
     
  15. TC2007

    TC2007 Senior Member

    The star is added if NCG determines a coin has exceptional eye appeal or characteristics that distinguish them from other coins of the same grade.
     
  16. 6StepStucky

    6StepStucky Member

    It should be mentioned the coin I had was the same wartime silver composition, but was a 1944S. Toning on this year set varied from this gorgeous opalescent tone you see in this coin to the streaky tones that were noticed on the 1943P. There is a nickel in the series called the “blackie” does anyone know what year it is?
     
  17. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Are you talking about war nickels? I don't know of any war nickels like that.

    I know that in 1958 and 1959, coins were struck on sintered planchets and were very dark. They were called "black beauties" and were very popular at the time. I have a couple of them.
     
  18. 6StepStucky

    6StepStucky Member

    Right on. That's what I was referring to. Now I wonder how many others knew the correct answer? When I opened my first roll and noticed all the black toned coins I was ready to call the dealer and ask what he was selling me. Decided to talk to a friend first (former PAC member since the club wasn’t around anymore) and he gave me the low down. I decided to keep the roll.
     
  19. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Good choice! I certainly believe they carry a nice premium over a normal coin of that date.
     
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