US quarter unknown date

Hello xxxSilverxxx,

I agree with David that the no-date quarter is probably a mint error & the 1971 quarter is probably post mint damage. I say "probably" only because the images of the reverse & edge are just a little out of focus.

If I had the no-date quarter in my collection I would probably label it something like this:

Mint Error
ND Clad Wash Quarter
Large 30% struck through

Very best regards,
collect89

 

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If a second planchet was partially on top of the planchet in the die then 1) the deformed part of the struck coin would be a uniform semi-circle and 2) NO part of the design would be struck onto the coin in the die. Just look at the OP's picture. You can see that Washington's jaw and neck show in the deformed area. They were not covered by a second planchet.

The first coin is a strike through as I said in an earlier post, not an indent.

 

Jazz:
If there are two planchets, and one partially gets in the way of the other, then it is a struck thru-- of one by the other.

Have to add:
That JFK is really neat!

 

I know what you mean TRES but I;m just saying the correct term is an indent for this particular coin that's all i'm trying to clear up The kennedy halve to me is a strike through and the op's coin is an indent to me. What would you define and indent, and what would you define a strike through?
Jazzcoins joe

 

Not always. When the overlying planchet overlaps the deep recess area of the die the indent can be deformed and not a regular semi-circle. And sometimes some of the detals WILL faintly show in the strike through area.

And Jazz, an indent IS a strike through, just a special case where it's struck through a planchet instead of some random junk..

 

Well there are two seperate meanings for each term

I will not repeat myself after this post I guess what your saying then an indent is a strike through and a strike through is an indent funny to me since there are to seperate meanings for each.

I would'nt say a dog is a wolf, and a wolf is a dog. Well if i had that coin i would classify it as an indent that;s all i'm saying.

Jazzcoins Joe

 

I would call it an indent as well.

I said no such thing. All indents are strike throughs, but not all strike throughs are indents. A strike through simply means that "something" came between the dies and the planchet during the strike. An indent is a strike through where that "something" is a planchet. To use your analogy, there are Canines (strikes through), a dog (planchet indent) is a canine, and a wolf (say, grease strike) is a canine, but a wolf (grease strike) is not a dog (planchet indent).

All I am saying is that I wouldn't say someone who calls an indent a strike through is wrong which I believe you did in an earlier post. (If I was mistaken then I apologize.) My comment in my last post was directed towards the earlier post, not the one of yours that immediately preceded mine.

 

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I agree that an Indent is when a planchet partially obscures another planchet being struck ( http://minterrornews.com/priceguideindent.html ) but I assert that the OP's coin was not this type, it was not struck through another planchet but through something thin and pliable enough for the hammer die to make it's impression through the covering material.
Here's one struck through cloth/
and one struck through grease/
Note the uneven terminus of the mis-struck area, similar to the OP's, also that the design is partially obscured but transferred to the coin by the die.

From the link I referenced above, "When the hammer die strikes this combination, the upper blank will be forced into the lower blank, creating a depression which is shaped similar to the upper blank. " What type of planchet (blank) would form the outline on the OP's coin?

In one post you say a strike through simply "means that "something" came between the dies and the planchet during the strike"; in you other post you say "it leaves an foriegn object into the the coin." So, which is it? Dogs, wolves and canines aside, what is your source reference for your definitions? I should read it.

 

David,

I agree with your assessment which goes along with my original posting, that it is not an Indented Strike! However, after seeing pictures of the Reverse, I retract my statement, that I believe that it was man-made. As to what the coin was Struck Thru will probably remain a mystery unless it is examined in-hand under a Microscope. In any case, it is not an Indented Strike since any planchet that would have became between the Struck coin and the Hammer Die, would have obliterated all of the details on the Obverse from the original strike and they are not. The Dies strike the planchet with extreme pressure and if and when another planchet comes between the Struck coin and the Hammer Die, the amount of pressure exerted on the two pieces becomes almost two-fold, insuring that any details on the originally Struck coin where the stray planchet overlaps it, will be obliterated!


Frank

 

Well give me your definition for a strick through and your definition for a indent ,and lets take it from there. Well you could call the coin a strike through,and I will call it an indent.

I would say most error collectors would call the ops coin a indent and condor and found in rolls will too. Well lets take a vote in a serperate thread ,and post the coin and see the percentage of error collectors who will call it a indent,or a strike through that would be interesting .

Jazzcoins Joe have a great new year David

Jazzcoins joe

 

Joe, since you didn't give me your sources I won't give you mine beyond suggesting that you re-read my previous post where the differences were pointed out. We'll just let our differences in terminology end here.

Regardless of what you or I call the process, you say the damage was caused by a second planchet, I say it was by some other material or substance and I guess we won't change each other's minds.

Peace to you
David

 

It was most likely indented by an overlying planchet. These are called "indents" by the error hobby. The shape of an indent can vary, as can its depth. As the overlying planchet is struck, the portion that extends into the striking chamber is squeezed out into a thin, flat tongue. The thickness of this tongue will vary in accordance with ram pressure and minimum die clearance.

 

Thank God you cleared this one up Mike Thank you very much and have a wonderful and healthy New Year

Jazzcoins Joe

 

Your welcome Jazz, he basically said what I did, that an indent need not be a semi-circle and can be deformed. We all, you, me, and Mike, among others, all agree that it is an indent.

David as to the terminology, you post selected definitions from two different posters. I said that a strike through simply means that "Something" was between the die an the planchet. Jazz said that it leaves an object struck into the coin. On that point Jazz is wrong, the object does not have to remain in the coin for it to still be a strike through.

 

So how should i lable it?

 

you label it as an indent

jazzcoins joe

 

Just for fun, I checked all my examples of indents, strike through, and brockage coins. Some are slabbed but most are raw. In my collection, where it was obvious that the obstruction was a planchet or struck coin, the collar was deflected. It appears that the collar is retained in position in this no date quarter.

Very best regards,
collect89