Difficult quiz - edges.

Why not a Chinese accent, or a Jewish accent?

 

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The Karate Boychik just doesn't sound right.

 

Lehigh96, posted: "The problem is that it seems like Skip is more interested in playing "gotcha" with the chatroom amateurs than simply testing the numismatic skills of the members by giving us all of the information, information that he is privy to. Why would anyone need to authenticate a coin simply from the edge? The answer is that they wouldn't, they would always look at the entire coin."

I wish I could read minds!

I have it on very good authority from some folks running chat forums that the great majority of folks on ALL (at least two for sure from moderators) chat forms they run are not very advanced. I don't expect many here to get the correct answers on any quiz. They are learning. WE ALL ARE on some discussions. Most folks don't examine coins at high power. Most here on CT are not close to your expertise either. Playing "gotcha" would be very, very boring. I try to make these things fun, with lots of twists. It takes a lot of effort to make one of these up. The point is to make posters THINK and to train their eye for detail. My teachers did not give us the answers to the quiz beforehand. Any member who posts a reply is a winner to me.

Sorry, I'm not able to post an entire coin so my posts will always be images of small characteristics or small parts of an entire coin. I wish I could post GTG challenges. They take no effort/time and teach plenty.

Now, let's take the edge of #2 the genuine coin. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH THAT ANYONE WOULD KNOW THAT COIN EDGE WAS ON A FAKE OR GENUINE COIN. That is one of the best comments that could have been given. "The edge looks damaged so who knows!" Few posters realized the edge was damaged. No gotcha, but I'll bet they'll know the next time . IMO, the posters who got the best out of this quiz are the members who wrote what they saw in each image and then took a guess.

PS "Why would anyone need to authenticate a coin simply from the edge?" Think about it because asking this question would be very embarrassing coming from some folks.

Good Night all. I've got another quiz in the works.

 

So you are saying as a professional numismatist who worked as a grader at several TPGs that you enjoy giving the "chatroom rubes" impossible tests for your own amusement under the guise that they get to learn something and you get your "gotcha" moment.

I'm not sure what you mean by high power, but if it has anything to do with magnification, I was always told that grading is done with 5X magnification. And what does my expertise have to do with anything. My expertise is primarily focused on Jefferson Nickels, in regards to most everything else, I think my knowledge is pretty average.

Do you understand that "lots of twists" in combination with "I don't expect many here to get the correct answers on any quiz" is a cocktail for a gotcha moment?

They may not have given you an answer, but I bet they gave you a complete question. Why not take the feedback that you are being given and use it to "learn" and make your quizzes fair by providing enough information for someone to solve them.

I run many GTG threads, and if they take no effort and time, why are you unable to post a photograph of an entire coin?

Are you taking photographs of coins submitted to ICG where posting full photos on an internet chat room would violate some company policy? If that is the reason, then just say so. If that isn't the reason, stop playing games and start posting full coin photos. You just said it takes "no effort/time".

Of course few posters realized the edge was damaged, in order to know what the edge is supposed to look like, we need to see the entire coin.

I'm not going to think about it. If you have something to say, then say it. You have had your "gotcha" moment for the day.

Furthermore, why do you wait so long to reveal the answer. Doug seemed to think that maybe you were waiting for the correct answer, but you put that theory to bed when you plainly stated that you don't expect many to get the answer to your quizzes. So what is the reason, just enjoy being the puppeteer?

 

Lehigh96, posted: "So you are saying as a professional numismatist who worked as a grader at several TPGs that you enjoy giving the "chatroom rubes" impossible tests for your own amusement under the guise that they get to learn something and you get your "gotcha" moment."

Your term NOT mine. You need to read what I wrote. I don't refer to anyone posting here as a "rube." IMO, it is a huge slight for you to use that term for beginning to intermediate collectors!

"I'm not sure what you mean by high power, but if it has anything to do with magnification, I was always told that grading is done with 5X magnification."

You are welcome to do as you are told and use any power of magnification you wish. It is a personal thing as NOTHING is etched into stone. Most of my images are taken between 7X and 20X. As you should know, the different powers of magnification are suitable for different tasks. If you wish to be stuck at 5X, you may miss out on a whole "new" experience.

"And what does my expertise have to do with anything. My expertise is primarily focused on Jefferson Nickels, in regards to most everything else, I think my knowledge is pretty average."

I guess you and I don't consider yourself to be one of those "rubes" as you call others with less experience posting here.

Do you understand that "lots of twists" in combination with "I don't expect many here to get the correct answers on any quiz" is a cocktail for a gotcha moment?

Only in your mind or in the mind of a spoon suckling snowflake.

They may not have given you an answer, but I bet they gave you a complete question. Why not take the feedback that you are being given and use it to "learn" and make your quizzes fair by providing enough information for someone to solve them.

There is no way one of your "rubes" here (who never looked at the edge of a coin in their life) could possibly answer that DIFFICULT (words have meanings) quiz. I'll bet it opened up a whole new way to look at their coins - mission accomplished.

I run many GTG threads, and if they take no effort and time, why are you unable to post a photograph of an entire coin?

1. Wrong camera lens.
2. Camera attached to the microscope.

"Are you taking photographs of coins submitted to ICG where posting full photos on an internet chat room would violate some company policy? If that is the reason, then just say so. If that isn't the reason, stop playing games and start posting full coin photos. You just said it takes "no effort/time"."

I'll post what I please, the way that I please, whenever I want to post until I am no longer welcome here. In other words, I post at my pleasure and to be honest, it is becoming much less fun dealing with a few of you. So take it or leave it; play or don't play.

"Of course few posters realized the edge was damaged, in order to know what the edge is supposed to look like, we need to see the entire coin."

Shame on you! This is possibly the third most stupid thing I've ever read on CT. Here's another: In order to know what the coin is supposed to look like, we need to see the entire edge.

"I'm not going to think about it. If you have something to say, then say it. You have had your "gotcha" moment for the day."

Actually, I started a new discussion. I'll "pull" the answer out of someone for you there.

"Furthermore, why do you wait so long to reveal the answer. Doug seemed to think that maybe you were waiting for the correct answer, but you put that theory to bed when you plainly stated that you don't expect many to get the answer to your quizzes. So what is the reason, just enjoy being the
puppeteer?"

My, aren't we angry. "Puppeteer?" I only have access to some things at work. I wanted the quiz to run over the weekend to give me something to do at home.

I'll tell you what. I'm a spiteful grouch so I'm going to take your advice. You'll love my next quiz. It won't be difficult or tricky. Eventually, I'll bet the "rubes" as you call them will ask me to do things my way and not yours.

 

I am not calling anyone a "rube" rather I am trying to explain how you are treating the members of these forums with less experience and knowledge than yourself. You aren't teaching, you are using your knowledge as a bludgeon to put those members in their place whilst you have a nice laugh at their expense.

I feel prophetic reading this passage. First you basically call me lemming for "doing as I'm told" as if I don't have the sense to know when higher magnification is needed, but then you follow it up with a whimsical quip about how I am missing out on a whole new world that exists at higher magnification. Rather than explaining why I am missing out, just treat me like the "chatroom rube" that you think I am.

Let me be clear, I don't think the other members of this forum are rubes (except that one new guy who hates TPGs), rather my perception of how you treat the members of this forum is exactly that, you treat them like "rubes".

Resorting to ad hominem attacks is a sign that you have already lost. What's the matter Skipper, that one hit too close to home? GOTHCA!!!!

Imagine how much easier that quiz would have been if you had simply provided all the information, information that you alone had.

I bet it didn't, do you want me to quote what Greg Marguli had to say about your little quiz over on the NGC forum?

I took this photo 8 years ago with an iPhone 5, stop making excuses.

Until you are no longer welcome? You mean like over on the PCGS forum? You can expect me to not play, but comment often!

Proving only that you don't read your own posts.

Why does calling you a puppeteer make me "angry" exactly? I'm on vacation starting tomorrow, maybe I should let my GTG threads run until I get back before I reveal.

 

Honest question Socrates...can you clarify what it is that "they'll know the next time"? What exactly will they know?

 

I'll know next time not to waste my time.

 

Maybe you would do better to hit the ignore button.

Seriously, not trying to take sides here, there are several members on CT I could have problems with in the way they come across. But I'm here to learn what I can, from whoever I can, and I'm not really worried about their style. I know I will remember to pay more attention to the edge after this quiz.

 

Dannreuther and others found that ALL US gold coins from the beginning were struck in a close collar, and their edge reeding did not come from the upsetting mill.

 

1 is either a proof or a fake. Too sharply struck.
2 is beat to hell, so hard to tell whether it's real or not. Because of that, I'd guess that it may be real.
3, 4 and 5 are impossible for me to judge because I don't know enough about the edges of gold coins. I'm assuming that all are US gold coins. I'm also guessing that we could do better if we knew what the denominations are.
6 is the most obvious fake. Looks cast. Too grainy to be an electro.

 

Lehigh96

 

CoinCorgi, posted: "Honest question [Skip] Socrates...can you clarify what it is that "they'll know the next time"? What exactly will they know?"

Great question! I already answered this - just FOR YOU - on the other forum. None of the other members there had a problem. I also told you that I was not going to make you only the second member of any forum I ignore because you ask great questions. Why not check out my answer to you. You can tell the other member of the "tag team" to check it out too.

 

Lol

 

halfcent1793, posted: "Dannreuther and others found that ALL US gold coins from the beginning were struck in a close collar, and their edge reeding did not come from the upsetting mill."

Unfortunately, the Wicki link did not take gold coins into consideration. As usually happens to all of us, if we are not very careful to cover all the possibilities when we write something, there will be plenty of experts pointing out any omission.

 

I thought you went on vacation! I'll take some time later to answer your post.

 

If you wish, I am packing now, gonna be on the road soon. Don't you have work to do? Like coins to grade?

 

Mountain Man, posted: View attachment 1175474

If you think this is about winning something...

This is about a stubborn poster (can you guess? Oh, possibly too hard so answer: Insider) who will do things his way or not at all.

So this will be the new quiz format:

What do we call this characteristic found on many coins that is raised and squiggly at some degree of magnification? It occurs when a die breaks and takes the form of a raised crack on a coin?

 

My post was direct to you, not @Insider.