Mr. Carr is a "Perfection" Freak!

Everything happens on Ebay in the last 15 minutes.

It's worth running an auction for 7 to 10 days just to get maximum visibility.

Z

 

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And you can say the same about super common coins. There's a lot of similarities in the two markets, but the sports card market isn't the dumpster fire it's often presented as

 

The sports card market had a major tank in the mid 2000s and did not recover at all. The same is not true of the coin market.

As an example, I collect football cards ofJoe Montana from his playing days. When I was a kid, there was a retirement commemorative card that was selling for $150 or so when it was fairly new. In the mid-2000s the market tanked. I bought this card for $18 a few months ago which was a price I felt was in the lower end of the going rate (I was hoping to pay $25 or less). The coin market didn’t do this.

 

The other problem plaguing that auction is it's for local pickup only, Houston TX . . . .

That limits interest.

Z

 

I’ll see if I can find a better sample

 

It did recover just not the super common stuff. If it didn't recover card grading wouldn't be thriving and auction records wouldn't be being set. Its no different than how Doug always likes to say coin prices have been going down forever, the super common stuff didn't recover but many other things did and some are even thriving

 

It was a ten-day auction. It closed with no bids.

 

It was also local pickup only so it's irrelevant. It was also just a picture of random boxes and no cards were shown at all with no idea what to expect

 

True, but if it was boxes of common date coins there would have been a bid even as a local pickup.
Those things appear to be practically worthless.

 

The stuff that crashed hard didn’t come back much. There is money in the ultra high grade stuff that crashed but that’s about it.

FWIW, I’m cool with the crash as a lot of the stuff that I wanted as a kid is now quite cheap.

The big money stuff today is mostly true vintage or the ultra low production modern stuff. For example, a 1/1 parallel of a Mike Trout rookie just sold for a fortune.

I do suspect that a crash in the moderns is coming. There is so much manufactured rarity that it doesn’t feel like the prices will hold. For example, a company will produce 20 slightly different versions of the same card with only 10 of each. So there is a ton of /10s out there but the reality is they are almost identical. It’s this fake rarity and I just feel like it’s going to crash.

 

That will happen with the W quarters (more so than it has) if they don’t stop at 2019/2020.

 

Yea that set the new record at just under 4 million where it's last sale was in 2018 for 400k on eBay

 

TVO, posted: "Insider, I know it has a front and a back. I know it has edges. I know you call the front the obverse and the back the reverse and the edges the edges [ EDGE]. I can also tell you if I called the front the obverse to a jury without explaining why it’s not called the front, like it is for 99% of people, then that would be a problem because they might get confused or think I’m a snob and you don’t want to piss off the jury. [Well, you are not in a court of law and I assure you that no one here will get pissed off if you use the correct numismatic terminology.]
So if you could kindly explain to me why the back of the coin is not called the back like it is in the rest of society, then that would be great.
If you know of course."

I have no idea where the term "reverse" came from and I don't choose to try to find out in order to educated both of us. Since you appear to know so much - look it up. Then tell all of us why the moon is called the moon. It's the same thing. I don't happen to care. It comes down to this. You are a nobody. I'm a nobody. The people who matter came up with words like the "moon" and the "reverse" to give meaning to things and the folks who like to appear to be educated use those words." I like to appear to be educated. What you care to be is of no interest to me because you don't seem to comprehend what more experienced members here have told you about counterfeits.

PS I'm going to bet that you are the ALT from a previously banned member of CT. There are two members on the "dead" ATS who do 70% of the posting over there.

 

Meh, he's just trying to test out legal arguments for his boss on a coin forum. His thoughts on terminology really bear no importance. Trying to convince us that inaccurate terminology is superior to accurate terminology and getting huffy that no one is buying in.

I call it "mental constipation" coupled with "diarrhea of the mouth." But other than that, he seems like a reasonably decent guy . . .

Z

 

Z,
I get that you don’t find all the different iterations of what is and isn’t counterfeit interesting and that most people didn’t really want that because it’s not really germane to what goes on here. (This disinterest is evidenced by the misunderstanding of the issue and the subsequent stubbornness that continued to your post I am responding to.) This place is clearly not full of counterfeiters. I’m the only one here that finds it interesting it would seem. That doesn’t make it diarrhea of any kind any more than the minutia of VAMs or DDRs is diarrhea and it would be rude to say that. Either here or in a legal forum.

 

I clearly know a counterfeit from a genuine, and none of your argumentative prowess is going to change the definitions of said terms.

It's your mental masterbations in trying to redefine well known and industry accepted terms for some nebulous intellectual superiority complex that I find annoying.

Other than that, I think your an okay fellow.

Z

 

And I know that the back of a coin is called the back, or maybe tails. I also know that there is no accepted “well known and industry accepted“ application of the definition of counterfeit even if the actual definition is settled on or nobody who start a thread in 2020 asking just such a question.
And may I suggest that you are frustrated and that frustration is annoying you, because it’s can’t be a superiority complex because I ask a lot of questions about coins to you nice people and I try to be respectful of those answers. If I was as you claim that interaction would go a lot differently.

 

BTW, you've already acquiesced that I was absolutely correct on my two earlier points, then you went about trying to "argue" that they were changeable.

You seem not to buy into the fact that the truth is the truth and a fabrication is a fabrication irrespective of situation.

My two points about intent upon manufacturing of the piece are immutable. Period.

edited

Z

 

Your questions are spot on. Your willingness to learn, not so much. You sir, have the superiority complex with your mental inflexibility.

Z

 

It's past my bedtime. Stew overnight and I'll get back with you in the morning, maybe.

Z