Mr. Carr is a "Perfection" Freak!

I think he is a member here.

I'm presently grading a box of his coins. My question for him...

How many strikes do you reject because the majority of your coins are TRUE MS-70's under magnification (while trying to find even one tiny defect to kill perfection) and not the dinged up SE crap labeled as MS-70's.

 

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You should ask @dcarr
I haven't seen him here in awhile though...

 

Insider, what sort of things are you looking at? If you're looking at his original art medals, please clarify - the response you'll get will vary significantly.

Mr. Carr is a Counterfeiter, and posts about his counterfeits should be relegated to the single accepted DCarr thread (this was the compromise agreed to by the Dcarr supporters and haters on this forum). DCarr is an extremely controversial subject, and you should know this. This thread could turn into a certified crap-fest in a very short amount of time.

Any TPG which considers DCarr overstrikes for certification should be instantly ignored (and lose vast amounts of respect) because they certify counterfeits.

DCarr's Art Medals are usually well executed and often attractive. I honestly think Dcarr is a talented medalist and wish that he would stick to these original presentations instead of his counterfeits. However, his art medals are just that... art medals. Any TPG which considers DCarr art medals for certification should probably be considered lower-tier because what's the point of certifying art medals.

Insider.... have you not paid attention at all to how vitriolic Dcarr threads can get?

 

Thank you for your official opening... deposit.

 

There's two post by him on July 13, 2020

 

Yes, he used to come on CT every time his name was brought up! I think after he issued some artistic versions of the St. Gaudens coin is when he ruffled some feathers here with the design purists but that's just a guess. I see him as an artist, a very good artist and a coin engraver. He goes way out of his way to keep from being viewed as a counterfeiter but you can't please all the people all the time. Nothing he does is ever done in a fraudulent or deceptive manner, in short he doesn't meet the definition of counterfeiter in my eyes at all, see below definition! That's my two cents on the subject!

"made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine; forged:"

 

I saw a vid of a guy who drew late 20th century US bills to perfection, but added one tiny disclaimer on the bills and sold them as art. Fascinating watch.

 

Neat...

 

It is sad to me to see that this thread has taken a turn already. The topic was perfectionism and a box of medals. It had nothing to do in any detail of which coins were being graded. @physics-fan3.14
The point is as soon as someone, and not the OP in this instance, brings politics into the discussion. All hell, tends to follow.

I have had the chance to meet Dan at a few shows. And tend to side with the purists 99% of the time. In this instance call me one of the 1 percenters.
Dan's fantasy issues / overstrikes will never mislead anyone that has done their homework before buying. The counterfeit argument is getting old and the only ones that have a problem, are the ones that have obvious discontent and hatred towards the guy. This is nothing different than the wokeness and cancel culture being unveiled right in front of our eyes.

Wokeness/ cancel culture: A small group of people that hates and goes after an individual or business, with extreme mal intent, just because they feel offended, even when the facts say otherwise.

Dan has been to court and has never hid his coins from anyone including the US government. Yet we still have those few that continue to try and vilify his name, for no other reason that they feel or think.

Not all of his overstrikes get an MS70. I believe this one was graded MS64
I sold the coin and do not have the slab pic anymore.

 

Wow, he's almost as bad as a guy that uses black and white photos to illustrate the difference between red, red-brown, and brown copper. The difference between you and him is, i didn't feel ripped off when I bought his product.

 

Just in case some of you missed it Dan has 10 "new" o/s coins for sale.

Flying Eagle Cent
Indian Head Cents
Buffalo Nickels
Jefferson Nickels.....................

 

Right you were @ldhair

 

So this guy takes old coins and makes a die and wacks them again to make them pretty? I can see why something like that would tear a community apart. Classic set up of a purist/libertarian debate. This one falls flat to me so far, but it might get good so I will get my popcorn and watch.

 

“Wokeness/ cancel culture: A small group of people that hates and goes after an individual or business, with extreme mal intent, just because they feel offended, even when the facts say otherwise.”

That is called freedom of choice and capitalism. They have been used for 100s of years by millions of people. Some you probably agree with, and some you may not, which is why your tone confuses me. Do you think this is something new? Cause that is the vibe I get from the labels you used.

 

Partially correct. He also changes the dates to years where none of those coins were produced, such as a 1964 Peace Dollar, and calls them "fantasy" coins.

If he were just restamping old coins with legitimate dates, that would be a bigger concern in my way of thinking.

 

So it’s an even more boring of a debate than I thought. Maybe I won’t be popping any corn.

 

@physics-fan3.14'

You have posted your opinion and now it may be best if you get off this thread as you have taken it off track. IMO, he is not a counterfeiter either but he is a businessman living in the freedom of USA (what remains of it) producing a terrific product that many collectors love and pay big money for.

BTW, Carr threads go "south" when the panty-waste, do-good, progressive, control-freaks, cannot stand the free exchange of different ideas among like-minded members.

atcarroll, posted: "Wow, he's almost as bad as a guy that uses black and white photos to illustrate the difference between red, red-brown, and brown copper. The difference between you and him is, i didn't feel ripped off when I bought his product."

NUTS to you! That grading guide you mention does have a few "defects;" HOWEVER, it is one of the best treatments of the subject you can find at this time! I highly recommend all of you read it. After reading the book, I told Jason that I felt he had been taking notes from my grading seminars and publishing them as his own. The reason for this is simple. When you know the facts and express them in the only way to make them simple to understand the final outcome will be the same no matter who is doing the writing/lecturing. Example: There is ONLY ONE WAY to properly examine a coin in hand. Look it up.

 

Are you just trying to get banned from yet another coin forum?

 

While I don't own any of his work, I am impressed by what he does. It further impresses me that you...as someone who professionally evaluates coins...speaks so highly of the craftsmanship. Makes me want to pick up one of his creations.

I too would be interested to know how many he rejects relative to how meet his clearly high standards. @dcarr if you ever see this, perhaps would could let us in on this detail.

You know...it's funny. The handful of people here who decide to argue over this until they are blue in the face decided to keep their endless argument in one thread. However, there never was a mandate from the staff to do so and not everyone on the forum was part of that agreement. I certainly wasn't.

As someone who doesn't like to be told what to do (especially by people who have no authority to do so)...I would like to support @Insider and his post.

FWIW, the OP did not mention the so called "counterfeits" in his post. In fact, he only mentioned Carr's craftsmanship and we all know that Carr also makes tokens of his own design (perhaps he is evaluation these) and as far as I know, nobody complains about those. The first person to stir the pot was you.