Domitian Bronze With Misspelled Name?

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  1. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    This is the first time I've seen Domitian's name misspelled on a coin (RIC 347), so is this just a sloppy fake, or the work of a very distracted die engraver?

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Must have been this same dyslexic die-engraver that forgot a letter on the obverse inscription of this Domitian denarius:


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    Domitian, AD 81-96.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.44 g, 17.2 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, AD 91.
    Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR XI (error; should read TR P XI), laureate head, right.
    Rev: IMP XXI COS XV CENS P P P, Minerva advancing right, brandishing a javelin and holding a shield.
    Refs: RIC 156; RIC² 724; BMCRE p. 336, note; Cohen 269; RCV --.
     
  4. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    It's at auction (not ebay) with a current high bid of 1 GBP, and an estimated win of just 30-40 GBP. I'm not bidding on it, but is it proper for me to add a link here to the auction? It ends in just over three days.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    What, you've never heard of Domian before? ;)
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    PS- I notice it's missing.

    What's missing?

    It!

    What do you mean?

    IT
    is what's missing!

    What is what's missing?

    IT!!!

    (We could make this into one of those "Who's on First" routines if we tried...) ;)

    Cool coin!
     
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  7. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Those are 'missing' letters, but what about 'extra' letters like on this CONSTANS.
    (CONSTATANS)

    CONSTANS RIC VIII. Arles 58 (Error)

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  8. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this, but I think the general etiquette is to not point out specific auction listings until the auction has ended.
     
  9. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    This misspelled Domitian just went for 35 GBP at auction. There is a correct example on ebay for $150, and another on MAShops for $140, and probably more elsewhere in those price ranges, so 35 GBP was a steal. That's probably why I'm not a collector, because I don't know why a coin with such a mistake on it doesn't generate any interest, regardless of the denomination, condition, etc.
     
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  10. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member

    I think spelling errors will generate more interest in modern coinage because they are much more uniform and standardised.

    Ancient coinage has such dizzying variety that a spelling error seems pretty non important. That's not even taking into account the fact that ancients were hand struck, so no two coins are alike.
     
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  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Actually, that price seems about right consider the wear on the coin.

    Prices on eBay are irrelevant; they are all over the map. Ignore them.

    I haven't seen the coin on MAShops, but my guess is that it's in better condition than the OP.
     
  12. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    The one on MAShops is in better condition, but neither of them is stellar (I like the portrait more on the flawed coin). Here they are, side by side:

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    I know I don't have the finesse of a collector, so I'm probably not going to understand why one example sells over another. My mind just tells me that if I were looking for this particular Domitian, and I could get one unique to the examples everyone else has, I would want that one.
     
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The one on the left -- in lower grade and with the misspelling -- has WAY MORE eye-appeal.
     
  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    :D Yeah, from personal experience, that is purdy easy to do!

    Question: Is it truly a spelling error, or is it a form of abbreviation / truncating a word?
     
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  15. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Do you plan on collecting in the future? Why don't you collect now? Or do you collect coins from different categories? I can tell you my collecting interests have been all over the place over the years. At present, my favorite set is a 27 coin per century set which simply includes just 1 coin from every century. I love this set for the diverse history spanning all those centuries and populations.
     
  16. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Is it just me or does the OP coin look soft? I would PM the owner but since it's no one here I would just state that I do NOT think it was a good deal for 35£
     
  17. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    No, I won't be a collector in the future, either. I don't collect now because I can't afford it, and that's okay by me. I still find ancient coins absolutely fascinating, as well as the people who collect them. I love ancient history, specifically Rome.
     
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  18. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Especially if you can safely assume the portraitist and die engraver were the same guy, it's fun to see Domitian smirking over the omission.
     
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  19. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Actually, I had the same question.
     
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  20. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    I have a "Domian" in my collection. Perhaps it is Domitian's lesser known, kinder, gentler, twin brother. ;-)
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  21. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Despite the softness, I think the DOMIAN coin is authentic and was a good buy at $60 or so. Presumably the engraver paused after writing DOMI, then mistakenly continued as though he had already written DOMITI.

    Spelling/copying errors are very rare on early Roman imperial coins, so worth acquiring if you see one and appreciate specialist rarities.

    Even if the coin were a cast, which I do not believe, it is of official style so presumably represents a regular struck original and deserves addition in a footnote to RIC Titus 347.
     
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