Carthage Pile On Thread...

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  1. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Thank you both!
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    the H and I are abbreviations for Hercules and Jupiter.

    "Some of these coins have an H or an I in the reverse fields. These are the first letter of the names of the Roman gods Hercules and Jupiter (Jove). Diocletian and Maximianus claimed lineage with the gods- Diocletian was in the family of Jupiter and Maximianus was in the family of Hercules. Their respective Caesar was also related to the deity."
     
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  4. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    A youthful Constantius preparing for his invasion of Britain:

    [​IMG]RIC Volume VI, Lugdunum, folles, No. 17a, Constantius, Caesar of the West, 10.1 gm

    Obverse depiction: Constantius, truncated bare neck bust, laureate, facing right.
    Inscription: FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB C (earliest titulature)

    Reverse depiction: Genius of the Roman people facing left
    Inscription: GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Britannia invasion coinage produced in Gaul at unknown Continental mint
     
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  5. Aunduril

    Aunduril Well-Known Member

    Here is mine:

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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice one. That is the "real" Carthage. What is the diameter and weight?
     
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  7. Aunduril

    Aunduril Well-Known Member

    Zeugitania, Carthage 300-264 BC, AE19

    4.26g
    Wreathed head of Tanit left wearing a pendant earring and necklace
    Horse head right
    SNG Cop 144
    Sardinian mint

    I'd have to measure I forget the diameter
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice, thanks...
     
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  9. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Here are a few more. Don't have my detailed attributions handy.
    Punic Tet 1Na.jpg

    Punic Tet 4Na.jpg

    punic tet 3a.jpg

    Watch out for the next one, it is a FAKE!!!!! I got my money back, and the seller I bought it from got theirs back, but later I saw it for sale again. Funny that.

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE
    Punic Tet 2a.jpg
    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE

    John
     
  10. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Did I mention the last one is a fake?

    :)
     
  11. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    One more Carthaginian for the pile: 18.5mm, 5g, 6h die axis AE Shekel.
    Carthage Tanit.jpg
    Carthage, circa 300-264 BC, Æ Shekel(?), mint on Sardinia
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Head of horse right; sun (circle with 8 rays) to right
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 144-6
     
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  12. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    That's a WONDERFUL coin, @Sulla80!!! Such a dark black patina and a cool control mark I've rarely seen before! With MAA 57 being such a common type, it's great to see such a unique variation.
     
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  13. Nathan P

    Nathan P Well-Known Member

    Here's another one.

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    Carthage, Second Punic War (220-215 BC)
    AE Trishekel

    29 mm, 18.21 g

    MAA 84; Müller, Afrique 147; SNG Copenhagen 344.
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    Carthage
    201-175 BCE
    Æ 15 Shekels
    45 mm 7.5 mm thick. 102g
    Wreathed Tanit
    Horse Uraeus above.
    MAA 104 SNG Cop 400
    RARE
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    SCIPIO IN BARCID SPAIN - CARTHAGO NOVA - Qart Hadasht

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    Carthago Nova SCIPIO Africanus Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 R


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    Carthago Nova Scipio 209-206 BCE AE 14 Horse Head R
     
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  16. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    This was actually one of my first ancients. Need to rephotograph it:
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    ZEUGITANA, Anonymous. Denomination: AE Trishekel , minted: Utica; ca. 200 BC
    Obv: Jugate laureate heads of the Dioskouroi right; stars above.
    Rev: Two horses standing right; Punic legend above.
    Weight: 14.21g; Ø:26mm. Catalogue: MAA A109; Müller 341; SNG Copenhagen 428.. Provenance: Ex private collection; acq.: 02-2019

    Also, I recently bought a small collection of bronzes from Carthage, before the second punic war. Still need to photograph those as well...
     
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  17. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Justin Lee, I do especially like the reverse "horse head and neck" on this coin, the Carthaginians did perfect the horse portrait.
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Now that is a cool coin! Not too many jugates (Dioskouri) and not too many multiple horses. Nice find! 2nd Punic War had ended.
    I covet.
     
  19. Co1ns

    Co1ns Active Member

    My three arrived today, very happy - much better in the hand as expected and well worth the small outlay. Came with a handwritten note and Roma gift box too which was pretty nice.

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    That one was the pick of the three.

    Wouldn't even know where to begin researching these, but I see a similar example on vcoins with the 3 dots in right field referencing SNG Cop. 111.
     
  20. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very nice coin! I started off using Magna Grecia (http://www.magnagraecia.nl/coins/Punic_map/Zeugitana_map/Zeugitana.html) to explore and start to understand Carthage coinage. It takes some getting used to, but has lots of info, and clicking on the images usually leads you to more info about them and variants. You're appears to be MAA 18, for which they're are many variants (makes up the range of SNG Cop 109, 114, 116-9). Considering I cannot see any pellets on obverse and only the 3 in a triangle on reverse, your's would be MAA 18f.
    Screenshot_20200831-075527_Translate.jpg Screenshot_20200831-075626_Translate.jpg
     
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  21. Co1ns

    Co1ns Active Member

    Thanks Justin.

    f corresponds to variation 6 in the more info link?

    MAA is Les monnaies de l'Afrique Antique? Those are photos from an English edition?

    Sorry for the barrage of questions, this is all a tad more daunting than OCRE and RIC!
     
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