1857 seated dune

upgrade to the type set. opinions?

 

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Opinions? Sure!

EF-40. Minor obverse rim ticks, not significant enough to mention. Obverse hit to the dentils that is large enough to mention.

Very nice coin. I like to see them survive in this condition.

 

Nice coin. Was it a jewelery piece or a weak strike? The top obverse and the bottom reverse dentils look really mushy. Otherwise I think it's nice and the color is good also.

 

I may be wrong as I dont collect these but something doesn't look right. It's probably just my imagination.

 

Face?

 

weight is correct and it passes the ring test. not that it means it still couldn't be fake.

I believe it has an old cleaning.

 

Dune is an old movie i'd rather forget about...

 

sorry, typo.

the squared off portion of the rim is weak and merges with the denticles which makes it look that way. The actual distance from the most inner part of the denticles and the edge of the coin is the same distance.

Look at the obverse at 9-oclock on this one. same effect imo.

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=68101&Lot_No=61689#Photo

 

Naa... don't make it.

 

those bottom denticles match to the same situation n the top obverse.

looks like it is a weak strike in that area?

 

I can say the coin is pretty nice but perhaps it needs a new cleaning to cover up the old cleaning.

 

I suspect it is die erosion (sometimes called die crumbling). Look carefully -- it's not that the denticles are becoming longer, but rather the rim eroding. I see it all the time with large cents of this era, and while I don't follow this series closely, there's no reason to believe it couldn't happen to dies striking the less malleable silver (particularly if they were slightly misaligned).

All IMHO & respectfully submitted....Mike

 

Hello johnny54321

What does the reeding look like at 12:00? See if there is evidence that it had a loop from being used in jewelry. I recommend you always look at 12:00 for evidence of tooling.

BTW, the photo shows that it has really nice details & some evidence of an old cleaning. Are you going to put it in a type collection album?

Very best regards,
collect89

 

I think it is a good coin for your typeset collection if the rest of the collection is VF - XF. I would put it in my typeset collection. (If I had one.)

 

Thanks, I checked and didn't see any evidence of tooling. I do agree with you that the coin has been cleaned and it also has some surface residue in some places. I don't mind cleaning(very much) as long as there is sufficient retoning. 150 year old blast white silver coins aren't my thing.:kewl: It is residing in my typeset album.

 

GDJMSP: I see what you are noticing with the denticles. Did you look at the heritage auction link I posted with the certified dime? The transition and look of the denticles are exactly the same in my opinion. On both coins, the outer rim band gets gradually thinner and thinner. Of course, the certified one could be fake as well.....but whatever it is, I think I am seeing the same type of cause on both coins.

Thanks for the opinions guys. Always good learning!