Waterpik cleaning

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Neosynephrine, Aug 23, 2020.

  1. Neosynephrine

    Neosynephrine Member

    I posted this on another thread, but got no response. If a spot on a coin in a hard-to-reach place is verdigris or some other 'soft' junk, could you possibly use a Waterpik or some small water jet thing to remove it? I have a number of coins with that stuff on them, and I don't want to scratch anything trying to remove it.
     
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I've never heard of using a Waterpik for cleaning coins. Not sure how it would work or the effect it would have. Maybe you should experiment by using the same type coin that is not valuable.
     
  4. Silvergmen

    Silvergmen SILVER & MORGAN Obsessed

    Can you give us a little more information like what kids of coins, grades and general values? Lots of people here can give some advice, but it depends on the details. For instance if your referring to low value ancient coins it’s a way different approach then Some high value moderns. But a quick answer is unless you know what you are doing don’t clean a coin, and a waterpik is definitely not an experts tool to say the least.
     
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  5. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    It is intriguing, for either ancients or moderns. Wait to see what a consensus is.
     
  6. Neosynephrine

    Neosynephrine Member

    Of course I would experiment on junk stuff first. Dateless Buffaloes, silver hole-fillers, et.c I should have had a pic of something before I asked. The acetone thing is most likely a better way to go, as is not cleaning at all. I was just wondering. I may try it anyway and let you all know the outcome. Please continue to respond to this.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It is highly unlikely that using a Waterpik will remove verdigris. Oh it might blow some of the softer stuff off, (verdigris is sometimes a light fluffy powder), but that's about it. I say that because other times verdigris is hard and crusty and a plain pain to get off. Also, water is last thing ya wanna use on verdigris because water is one of the things necessary for verdigris to form to begin with. If anything using water on it will just to lead to more of it.

    That said, a Waterpik will often work wonders on plain ordinary dirt and grime, getting it out of the crevices and protected areas. But ya always have to make sure that the coins are properly dried afterwards - to avoid verdigris forming !
     
  8. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    I think a better tool for removing the hard stuff would be one of those high frequency “water picks” the dentist uses to get the plaque off your teeth. I have no idea what damage might occur, but I bet it will get the hard stuff off. I think you can buy one for between $200 and $400.
     
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  9. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    How about using a can of compressed air or high powered air compressor GD?
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    No those will scratch the living daylights out of it. Those use water to flush the plaque away, but they use a metal point vibrating at ultrasonic speeds to break it up.

    A waterpic MIGHT be OK for washing away dirt, but any grit in the dirt will act as a tiny sandblaster.
     
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  11. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    My dentist uses ultrasonic tool for cleaning teeth. Not sure how that differs from a high pressure water pick but it would be an interesting experiment on a worthless coin.
     
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    As a note of caution, only use denatured water in a water-pik to test your theory. Putting acetone or other chemicals in a water-pik will probably melt the plastic parts.
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To do what ? Canned air works fine for blowing dust off a coin but that's about all it'll do. But even with canned air you gotta be careful when using it and hold the can perfectly upright or it will spray liquid onto the coin - and you don't want that.

    And compressors - nope, just forget about that idea. There's all kinds of stuff in their tanks and hoses.

    The only thing I know of that will safely get verdigris off a coin is Verdi-Care - that's it.
     
  14. Neosynephrine

    Neosynephrine Member

    Thanks everyone for the input. I guess what I really wanted to clean off is the soft stuff, now that know what verdigris is. The usually dark junk crammed into the recesses of the devices bothers me and I want it gone. I'll try soaking rather than anything harsh.
     
  15. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Ha, my wife works for Waterpik. This might be an application they never anticipated. :)
     
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Sodium sesquicarbonate?
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Uh...don't use this...
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're the chemist, you tell me :)
     
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  19. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    water under the pressure of air is roughly the same thing as sand blasting, or "pressure cleaning" it's abrasive.
    if you are going to do it, practice a lot on coins of little value with the same material and composition, And I'd suggest using only distilled water so there aren't any contaminants like minerals in it. Waterpik itself claims it's less abrasive than brushing or flossing and won't cause bleeding, but they do not say it's not abrasive at all, just that it's less abrasive and won't cause bleeding, even on people with sensitive gums or gum disease.

    Water under pressure is still abrasive though or even moving slowly, the common term would be "erosion". gentle rain won't hurt you but over time it carves rocks.

    I expect a waterpik could work, I also expect it could cause damage to the coin, and even so, you never really know what you will uncover until you uncover it, the thing you dislike and want to remove may uncover an even bigger eyesore.
     
  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Yup, the only question was how to make the solution. Could probably search CT for it, mixing sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate if memory serves correctly.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Water under pressure can be and in fact IS used to cut through 3 ft. of steel like a hot knife through butter. BUT - a Waterpik ? Unh uh, there's not enough pressure in a Waterpik to do any damage to a coin.

    Waterpiks operate at 10 to 100 psi, depending on the setting you choose. To put that into perspective, your faucets at home, about 60 psi. It's gonna take way more than that to hurt a coin. So using a waterpik is a about as risky as rinsing a coin under your faucet.

    And even if the dirt and grime you're trying to remove has some grit in it, once that grit is loosened from where it's stuck on the coin, it just flows off with the water that is no longer under pressure. So even it isn't gonna hurt anything.

    Now of the water that was being pumped through the waterpik was full of grit, yeah, that might with a bit of time. But the water isn't full of grit so no harm is done.
     
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