Looks like burnt paint for patina what do you think?

This one sure does look like the burnt paint patina to me.

Wondering what you all think ?

 

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…………… or something. It doesn’t comply with the definition of patina that I like:

“The surface of an object that has grown lovely with use and the passage of time”

 

Could it be horn silver?

 

Looks like it, to my old eyes.

 

Looking at the background the coins legit....I don't really know what 'burnt paint patina ' is?......I have seen silver coins with this charcoal looking covering before.. is it hard or does it just wipe away? ....

 

Its artificial in my opinion. I circled around the area that shows it flaked off. A real patina cant be flaked off in patches in some area and show a shiny silver under it. This means they applied this with some sort of glue and the glue came off in some small areas showing the shiny silver under.

 

Don't understand why anybody would want to cover up decent silver?

What does the reverse look like?

 

They usually do that to cover up cast defects I have seen many coin where after cleaning the coin I saw lots of metal bumps or casting holes. Some do that to make more eye appeal no sure which is the case on this one, one needs to clean it and see what's under this thick black dirt

 

Ok....But if the seller is who I think it is I'd be surprised if it's Cast!....But maybe a big cover up...

 

I bought a very similar looking coin from Vcoins (could be the same seller) but mine seems authentic , at least I did not see any red flags on it. But in my case I did not see any flaking off of patina.

 

Did you buy from TV?.....As it does look very similar to a batch he purchased all with a similar old cabinet tone? He's not the seller I'm refering to..

 

Yes. Good guess lool now you made me worried? is it his practice to make coins look like this? If yes I would be nervous. I cant trust any coin which is engineered. I knew Zurqieh does that but I did not know TV also does this. on a side note, a friend of mine who is a dealer on Vcoins told me lots of time the forger use soot to create such patina

 

NO!......He's spot on!!........Here's a coin of mine I bought from the same old collection as yours...

 

Getting back to the OP coin I agree with horn silver...

 

I'd agree with @Spaniard. Horn silver with very dark toning and maybe some other environmental things going on (like maybe it was in a fire?), but I feel it's genuine, based both on the known seller but also the visible flow lines around the portrait (halo?) and in the fields seen through the blackness. The "patina" is probably natural from sometime in the coins past. I had an AE coin that had a very black, sooty, caked-on layer of stuff on it that I chalked up to being in a fire of some sort (or lost and buried within charcoal or soot) in its past as well. I had done some cleaning of it to reveal more hidden details.

Nero, AE Dupondius
Struck 62-68 AD, Lugdunum (Lyon) Mint
Obverse: NERO CLAVD CAESAR AVG GER P M TR P IMP P, Head of Nero, laureate, left; small globe at point of neck.
Reverse: VICTORIA AVGVSTI, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand and palm in left, S-C in fields, II in exergue.
References: RIC I 410; Lyon 81; BMCRE 350; Cohen 346
Size: 29mm, 14.84g

Edit: If you want to try to clean it, I'd first try the baking soda dissolved in hot water with the coin sitting on top of aluminum foil approach... I can't remember how posted about it previously here but I've used it on some of my silver coins in need of some maintenance.

 

I'm not a chemist, but I think horn silver is an oxide and cannot flake off or be easily removed.

 

This is the exact reason why I am a bit skeptical on this patina. The real horn silver attaches into the core of metal so hard than it's not easy to come off or flake off and even though we use some techniques to remove horn silver, the underlying metal is pitted and ugly

 

Horn silver is actually silver chloride or silver fluoride or a combination of the two. There was a post about removing it on CT in the past.

 

I meant silver bromide not fluoride.

 

..i'd say its the last color of a toning silver coin that's had some removed...the good Dr(cody1x5) wouldn't try to fool ya........