SullyCoins of Ebay Exposed -DO NOT BUY-

Sullycoins has 18 MS-70 2007 Silver eagles up for sale, they must have sold 2 already. Not bad, 18 maybe 20 out of a 20 coin roll graded out MS-70.
There feedback rating is better than I would have figured.
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I only wonder why, a reputable company, would have a private domain listing? Looks fishy right off the bat!


CERTIFIEDSILVER.COM
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: CERTIFIEDSILVER.COM
Created on: 11-Jan-05
Expires on: 11-Jan-09
Last Updated on: 12-Nov-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration CERTIFIEDSILVER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration CERTIFIEDSILVER.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
PARK19.SECURESERVER.NET
PARK20.SECURESERVER.NET
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CSIGRADING.COM
Registrant:
CertifiedSilver.Com, LLC

8131 Bausch Road
New Tripoli, Pennsylvania 18066
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: CSIGRADING.COM
Created on: 28-Jun-06
Expires on: 28-Jun-08
Last Updated on: 30-Aug-06

Administrative Contact:
Milder, Charles camilder@aol.com
CertifiedSilver.Com, LLC
8131 Bausch Road
New Tripoli, Pennsylvania 18066
United States
(610) 298-8204

Technical Contact:
Milder, Charles camilder@aol.com
CertifiedSilver.Com, LLC
8131 Bausch Road
New Tripoli, Pennsylvania 18066
United States
(610) 298-8204

Domain servers in listed order:
NS3.SECURESERVER.NET
NS4.SECURESERVER.NET
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It seems Sullycoins old Ebay Id was seansullivan30

Looks like this might be his myspace page.
Here is some info found on his myspace page
Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 23
Sign: Aries

City: Wasilla
State: ALASKA
Country: US

Signup Date: 05/03/05

http://www.myspace.com/seansullivan30

MySpace Profile - Sean, 23 years old, Male, RENO, NEVADA, US, It's Me.
profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15081785 - 118k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages


Now here is some info found on his Ebay Payment terms. Notice the STATE and Town of both the myspace person and Ebay User Id sullycoins.

Payment: This Sully’s Coins Auction is powered by Marketworks. If you are the winning bidder at the auction's end, simply click the Marketworks link below and follow the instructions. You may also click on the pay now button which will also take you to Marketworks. If you plan on bidding on more than one item please wait until you are done bidding and check out at that time. However we would appreciate it if you did not wait more than three days to complete payment. If you are paying with check or money order you can get your total and then just send your payment. If mailing the payment, send to PO Box 871860 Wasilla, AK 99687. We would appreciate it if you would include the auction number with the payment. Happy bidding!!!!
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Now if you do a search on, Charles Milder of Pennsylvania , the contact person listed for CSIGRADING.COM with also a mention of CertifiedSilver.Com, LLC within the whois registration info.

some rather funny stuff shows up, take a look

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/pr061606.html

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/pr0216c06.html
The above Url links both Charles and Cathy Milder.

.....lawsuit filed by the Labor Department in December 2004 alleging that plan trustees Charles and Cathy Milder violated the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) between 1997 and 1999.


Man, This is really starting to stink! Looks like a bunch of white collar crooks, if you ask me.

Ebay User ID "Sullycoins" --> count us out, you can keep your so-called graded coins, we ain't buying what you are selling!

 

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Gec

The milder family is a scam, and so are the coins. Long list of fraud charges. I would NEVER deal with them. Above all, the guy is an a@@hole!

 

Godaddy pushes this "service" for a small yearly fee. I believe that when you go to register a domain name through them this service is already picked and to un-pick it you have to know to do it.
This doesn't maybe a company good or bad IMHO.

Speedy

 

Network Solutions does as well. Push the private thingy. I opted out.

What gets me, is that Sully's is right up the street from me. I'll pay attention to the Ebay and try to match them to a local show dealer. Thanks for the ( old ) heads up !!!

 

Gec

I have continually tried to ask for the contact number and address for GEC, and I was given the run around. Does anyone know their contact info?

 

Outland,

First of all welcome to the forum.
Second this is a really old thread.
Doesn't take too much looking to see that GEC is garbage.

Might I suggest you start a different thread about them seeking information? Probably won't get too much though as I'm sure I've mentioned them in the past.

clembo

 

Can't tell you anything about GEC the company, but they get their slab shells from Certified Silver Investments. Certified Silver, which also slabs under their own name as CSI, has been selling slab shells since 2005 when they started out selling NGC look alike shells in both small and mult-coin holder sizes. (They did have one advantage back then, you could get holders for the mulit-coin shells with more holes than NGC offered.) Then they dropped the NGC line and began selling their own shell design which was originally just sold to other firms for awhile before they started doing their own slabbing.

 

Try this link.

http://www.gecgrading.com/

Bruce

 

two interesting things from that website:

Subjectivity: Coin grading is the subjective judgment and or opinion of the grader(s). Therefore, all parties agree that GEC Grading has made no warranty and shall have no liability to the customer for the grade assigned to any coin by an agent of GEC Grading. GEC does not guarantee the grade and authenticity of the coins it certifies and encapsulates in an GEC holder. GEC shall assume no liability of any kind whatsoever and makes no warranties or representations to Customer for any grade assigned by GEC to any coins.


so...they are compeltely worthless. Then again, I dont think anyone here thinks otherwise.

But the funniest part was this under the listing of the various ways one can collect.

1. Collect by Coin Grading Company: Collect coins graded by a specific coin grading company. The holders usually store nicely together and they show uniformity when they are view or displayed.

Who the hell collects this way? why would they list it as the #1 way one would approach collecting...

and how would you submit to this company anyway? I see no istrustions on how you submit, just a bunch of disclaimers that they will not back any grade they assign or the authenticity of the coin.​

 

My dad was telling me about them a while back...

 

Uh, I do, one of each holder variety from each company. I just don't care what the coin in the holder is.

 

You only collect slabs? You do not collect coins? Or do you collect coins...and slabs as well.

Not that it matters as its not the same thing at all. They are saying...correct me if I am wrong...to buy all your COINS graded by the same grading company so they are uniform when displayed...so only coins in a certain holder can be collected. That means if you are looking for a coin for your collection, you cannot buy any coin unless they are in a certain slab. They are saying this as #1 in a list of good ways to approach collecting COINS. By what slab its in...simply because the collection will look uniform. It is not about collecting slabs. It is approaching what COIN to buy when collecting COINS with the main focus on the slab. NOT by whether the coin is what one wants...I am sure TPGs would love people to have this mentality though

1. Collect by Coin Grading Company: Collect coins graded by a specific coin grading company. The holders usually store nicely together and they show uniformity when they are view or displayed.

And I say again...who collects COINS this way?

 

A lot of people do, they are called registries. Look at the PCGS Registry, people have pumped a ton of money into sets slabbed by the same company to earn "points." It's a fairly common thing. I don't do it, but many people do.

 

Seems I have a lot of work to do. Most of my coins rest in 2x2s and 1-1/2x1-1/2. Now I suppose I'll have to reholder the 1-1/2 over to 2s. The few slabs I have will have to be cracked out as well as any proof sets.
Additionally I suppose all my paper money should be placed in large holders.

Thanks for ruining my weekend Drusus LOL

 

I figured he did. I fugured he buys slabs for the slab collection, and I would think he buys coins for his coin collection. I assume the #1 focus of his COIN collecting is not that it be in one specific TPG slab....so they look uniform when displayed. Or maybe he does...I wasnt aware people collected this way...

 

I buy slabs for the slab collection, and I buys coins for the coin collection. The two are COMPLETELY separate. If I am looking for a COIN I will not even look at anything that is in a slab, I will ONLY look at raw coins. If I am looking for a slab I don't bother looking at the coin or grade exept to the extent that I want to buy something cheap because I dislike paying a lot just because I want the plastic. (I do sometimes have to pay high though. The most I have ever spent on a coin was $1000. The most I have spent on a slab was $1400 for a first generation counterfeit PCGS slab. And some slabs ONLY come with gold coins in them.)

 

Thats what I figured...It just seems bizarre that #1 on their list of ways to approach collecting is collecting by TPG service holders. I guess people WILL collect coins and get them all slabbed at the same place but I dont think many if any collectors approach a possible coin purchase with the #1 requirement that it be in a specific company slab. I dont think many peoples #1 collecting focus is that they all look uniform when displayed thus they all must be coins slabbed and graded by one company. I would think most people buy the coin and the slabbing is a secondary concern...Slabbing might be important to them but most arent going to go out and ONLY consider coins slabbed by one single company and never consider any coin that might be in a slab of another company, or not slabbed at all...just thought it was interesting they put this as #1 on the list of different ways people might focus their collecting goals is all.

 

Again, there are many collectors who's main focus is their registry. Now, they don't collect so all the holders look uniform, but are required to have all the coin's in their registry set slabbed by a certain TPG in order for that TPG to recognize it and award them points. I don't collect this way, but many people do. And many times, these are high dollar collections.