Hi, this is my first forray into the world of coins. I found many years ago, in France a coin of the following description, it is a shiny silver, but only the size of a today's penny (I am in the UK), but it is not a perfect round shape. It has a picture of a woman? (it could be a man in a wig) on the front and the words around the outside which say FRANC.D.G.R.I.S. A.GER.I E R.REX On the reverse it has an elaborate crest with the words around the outside MEA 1752 TU.DOMINE SPES (where the 1 looks as though it is back-to-front). Could you please let me know what I have, and whether it is worth anything? Many thanks, Juliette
Howdy Juliette - Welcome to the Forum !! The coin you are asking about is not French - it's Austrian, and it should be made of gold if genuine. But there's a bit more to it than that. It is also a very commonly counterfeited coin. Reader's Digest magazine even made copies of it and gave them away in a promotional campaign some years ago. And since you say your coin is silver colored - odds are that's what you have. You can read more about this here - Click Here
It might also be that it is not silver, but platnum - I heard talk here before that the ducat was also counterfeited in platnum, which was far less valuable at the time. Could that also be the case here? later note: sorry, I didn't see the date here. My first comment was made in relation to a 19 or 20th century counterfeit example. It probably does not apply here.
Your comment might apply - they did make platinum counterfits. Weighing the item would go a long ways in determining this - so would testing it with a magnet. If it's magnetic - a cheap copy. If it weighs over 3.5 grams - then we need to talk some more
Juliette Thank you for your replies, I have found them fascinating and am now off to weigh, test magnetically and return (possibly with photograph if I can work out how to include this in this format). I sadly suspect that mine is a fake, wondering though how it might have ended up in a phone box in France! I am a little confused as I found mine (I am sure) more than the twelve years ago (when the Readers Digest producing their Ducat funny money)....I'm sure I did!? Anyway, thanks again, it's perhaps something I'll leave to my kids and then be worth something, as is said in one comment, just for its own story!
Juliette Aha, And so the plot thickens - from my rather dodgy scales my coin seems to weigh only 2 grammes however, it is not magnetic!?! So right now I am very confused and hoping (rather optimistically I appreciate) that it is a platinum version? My knowledge even fails me here however, as this might indeed mean that my coin should be heavier? Unfortunately, though my camera batteries are now on charge! I will endeavour to photograph the coin and put this on another posting. Could you please advise where I might take the coin, I'm not sure who would know more about this and where I might get an 'honest' answer (pehaps I should be neither skeptical nor optimistic at this stage?) Just one further question, I am in the UK - where are other people posting from? Thanks
Well Juliette, the 2 grams is not a good sign. Couple that with your description of a silvery color and the coin is almost certainly a fake. Platinum is indeed heavier than gold - so if it were a platinum counterfeit it would weigh more than 3.5 grams. But while you're at it - compare the size of the coin to a penny since you're in the UK. The coin should be about 21mm - I think that's pretty close to a modern British penny. I myself am in the state of Utah in the USA, since you asked. And collecting ducats is one of my specialties. But by all means, take the coin to a local dealer and allow them to see it in person. I'm pretty confident you're gonna get the same answer from them that you did from me.
franc.d.g.r.i.s. a.ger.i rex Hello there, this is my first intervention in a forum of any kind. I was looking for imformation about this same coin that my mother in law gave me. I even have the photo of both sides of it (hopefully I'll be able to display it!!). Anyway, main seems to be very golden
Lauramilla,welcome aboard.That is not a coin,but one of those fantasies that were given away by Reader's Digest over 20 years ago. Aidan.
I have a coin similar to these images. Yet it is not magnetic & the detail is much more defined !. Weight is between 2 & 3g. The edge is smooth (no serrations). Best way to describe it's look/condition/quality is that of a dirty old silver sixpence (UK). Thoughts ?....
Please post a picture of your coin and I'll be glad to help if I can. Based purely on your description though I would say that the coin is just another fake like the many others.
Ok...how about this one, gold/yellow colour (image taken under a flourescent tube)...a coin collecting friend started a sweat when he saw this one, but we could not get a value as there is no date ??