French coin date 1752 advice please

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Juliette, Apr 18, 2005.

  1. Juliette

    Juliette New Member

    Hi,

    this is my first forray into the world of coins.

    I found many years ago, in France a coin of the following description,

    it is a shiny silver, but only the size of a today's penny (I am in the UK), but it is not a perfect round shape.

    It has a picture of a woman? (it could be a man in a wig) on the front and the words around the outside which say FRANC.D.G.R.I.S. A.GER.I E R.REX

    On the reverse it has an elaborate crest with the words around the outside MEA 1752 TU.DOMINE SPES (where the 1 looks as though it is back-to-front).


    Could you please let me know what I have, and whether it is worth anything?

    Many thanks,
    Juliette
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy Juliette - Welcome to the Forum !!

    The coin you are asking about is not French - it's Austrian, and it should be made of gold if genuine. But there's a bit more to it than that. It is also a very commonly counterfeited coin. Reader's Digest magazine even made copies of it and gave them away in a promotional campaign some years ago. And since you say your coin is silver colored - odds are that's what you have. You can read more about this here - Click Here
     
  4. sylvester

    sylvester New Member

    Smells like a fake ducat to me.

    Sounds alot like the one i have, but mine is dateless.
     
  5. rick

    rick Coin Collector

    It might also be that it is not silver, but platnum - I heard talk here before that the ducat was also counterfeited in platnum, which was far less valuable at the time. Could that also be the case here?


    later note: sorry, I didn't see the date here. My first comment was made in relation to a 19 or 20th century counterfeit example. It probably does not apply here.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Your comment might apply - they did make platinum counterfits. Weighing the item would go a long ways in determining this - so would testing it with a magnet. If it's magnetic - a cheap copy. If it weighs over 3.5 grams - then we need to talk some more ;)
     
  7. Juliette

    Juliette New Member

    Juliette

    Thank you for your replies, I have found them fascinating and am now off to weigh, test magnetically and return (possibly with photograph if I can work out how to include this in this format). I sadly suspect that mine is a fake, wondering though how it might have ended up in a phone box in France! I am a little confused as I found mine (I am sure) more than the twelve years ago (when the Readers Digest producing their Ducat funny money)....I'm sure I did!?
    Anyway, thanks again, it's perhaps something I'll leave to my kids and then be worth something, as is said in one comment, just for its own story! :eek:
     
  8. Juliette

    Juliette New Member

    Juliette

    Aha,

    And so the plot thickens - from my rather dodgy scales my coin seems to weigh only 2 grammes however, it is not magnetic!?! So right now I am very confused and hoping (rather optimistically I appreciate) that it is a platinum version? My knowledge even fails me here however, as this might indeed mean that my coin should be heavier?

    Unfortunately, though my camera batteries are now on charge! I will endeavour to photograph the coin and put this on another posting.

    Could you please advise where I might take the coin, I'm not sure who would know more about this and where I might get an 'honest' answer (pehaps I should be neither skeptical nor optimistic at this stage?)

    Just one further question, I am in the UK - where are other people posting from?

    Thanks :confused:
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well Juliette, the 2 grams is not a good sign. Couple that with your description of a silvery color and the coin is almost certainly a fake. Platinum is indeed heavier than gold - so if it were a platinum counterfeit it would weigh more than 3.5 grams. But while you're at it - compare the size of the coin to a penny since you're in the UK. The coin should be about 21mm - I think that's pretty close to a modern British penny.

    I myself am in the state of Utah in the USA, since you asked. And collecting ducats is one of my specialties. But by all means, take the coin to a local dealer and allow them to see it in person. I'm pretty confident you're gonna get the same answer from them that you did from me.
     
  10. lauramilla

    lauramilla New Member

    franc.d.g.r.i.s. a.ger.i rex

    Hello there, this is my first intervention in a forum of any kind. I was looking for imformation about this same coin that my mother in law gave me. I even have the photo of both sides of it (hopefully I'll be able to display it!!). Anyway, main seems to be very golden
     
  11. lauramilla

    lauramilla New Member

    the photo, I made it!!

    Here it is, I though it was way more difficult!!
     

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  12. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Lauramilla,welcome aboard.That is not a coin,but one of those fantasies that were given away by Reader's Digest over 20 years ago.

    Aidan.
     
  13. lauramilla

    lauramilla New Member

    how can you be that sure about it? please tell me more about it, it's a fantastic story!!
     
  14. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Previous posters have asked this question.You can find the answers above.

    Aidan.
     
  15. digitaldreams

    digitaldreams Junior Member

    I have a coin similar to these images. Yet it is not magnetic & the detail is much more defined !. Weight is between 2 & 3g. The edge is smooth (no serrations). Best way to describe it's look/condition/quality is that of a dirty old silver sixpence (UK).

    Thoughts ?....
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Please post a picture of your coin and I'll be glad to help if I can. Based purely on your description though I would say that the coin is just another fake like the many others.
     
  17. digitaldreams

    digitaldreams Junior Member

    Here you go.....
     

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  18. digitaldreams

    digitaldreams Junior Member

    And the other side....
     

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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yup, it's a fake.
     
  20. digitaldreams

    digitaldreams Junior Member

    Ok...how about this one, gold/yellow colour (image taken under a flourescent tube)...a coin collecting friend started a sweat when he saw this one, but we could not get a value as there is no date ??
     

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  21. digitaldreams

    digitaldreams Junior Member

    And the other side...
     

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