Featured Counterfeit 1964 Kennedy Half - Finally able to see one..

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Ethan, Aug 15, 2020.

  1. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Exactly. If the specific gravity of the base metal used for a fake is different than silver (or another precious metal), a coin cannot have both the correct weight and size. If the weight is right, the size will be wrong, and if the size is correct the weight can't be right.
     
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  3. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    I'm a gonna like anyone who said plated. Any of the fake Kennedy''s I have ever seen were absolutely atrocious fakes.

    Fake common Kennedy halfs were pretty common for a short while. The idea wasn't to fool collectors. They were trying to fool the folks at the damaged coin redemption center. Lots of coins were being sent back from China from scrap automobiles.

    I can't fathom there being any money in making super high quality fake kennedy's.
     
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  4. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    OK I ordered a new camera that will work with Win10. I will get some close ups. What I did look at shows the sides are different at the edge of where the die would be pushed. It is not as distinct as the real one. It could be the plating has made it less thick so to speak. I do not think it a casting as the quality is good. The surface area shows minor what I would call holes though.

    It is 12.8x grams, 0.3x heavy which could be a coating.

    The question is why does it not sound like a silver half, not even a 40% one?
     
  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Sound is tricky under any circumstances, and if the coin has a heavy plating of a metal that's not silver, it's bound to sound different. The plating will have different stiffness, different hardness, different speed of sound, and all of those can change the sound.
     
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  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    This exactly. Sound is a TERRIBLE way to decide if a coin is fake or not.
     
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  7. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com Supporter

    Not surprising to me that counterfeit Kennedy's are now appearing. I think with the photos, weighing, and magnet test, you've gotten all you need out of this 1964 Kennedy. It's good that you didn't buy it at $50 or $100, particularly since it's not silver.

    I'm not ultra fond of Windows, but W-10 is a lot more modern that Windows-7 or other versions. I've never heard about a Windows upgrade being blamed for low picture quality. I imagine that a .jpg is a .jpg and the photo effects are due to resolution and exposure. It's quite hard to get good pix of coins which is why the experts use special camera setups. Just getting a cell phone pix often won't do it.
     
  8. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Why would anyone counterfeit a 1958 Lincoln Cent? The Chinese have done it. Since the collector value is less than 10 cents, what sense does it make? None. It’s just an “in your face statement.”
     
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  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Here’s mine. The dies were made to create “errors” that would not generate much suspicion because of the common date. They made some non-errors because they could.

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  10. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Don't buy fake coins at any price. All you do is encourage the thieves to continue to make these. There are hundreds and thousands of fakes. They are not rare. As soon as they find a market, they will flood it.
     
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  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Thanks for sharing it's nice to be aware of this type of fakery.
     
  12. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I feel so old-fashion! I'm still running Windows Vista! And using a laptop I bought in 2008!
     
  13. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    A heavy chrome plating will increase the weight AND make a coin stick to a magnet. You need a specific gravity test. Until then, my opinion is genuine, plated.
     
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  14. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Do you really think YOU are old-fashioned?
    ;-)

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  15. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Hell, I'm still getting free program CD's from AOL.......
    :angelic:
     
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  16. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

  17. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    Somewhere I still have a CP/M manual.
     
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  18. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Wow, I remember the 64! I started with the VIC-20, and only got a 64 when a programmer needed to sell hos to pay his tax bill. For awhile I was buying and selling C64 machines out of my garage. When I gave it up I let the local user group come and take it all away, some five years after I moved to an IBM-compatible.

    Does anyone remember Microsoft Bob?
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Meh, I switched to Windows 10 when it first came out and have never had any trouble.
     
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  20. STU

    STU Active Member

    I have all the Kennedy half's been collecting since 1964 and I have lots never heard of a fake 64 I would not pay 50.00 or any price for a fake .something don't seem right plating to make an unknowing collector to pay a big price just my opinion
     
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  21. Peter Economakis

    Peter Economakis Well-Known Member

    If someone is really into collecting like I believe the OP is then why not if he can easily afford the $50.
    It's a conversation piece and a coin to maby compare other 64's too. Who knows as a fake it might be worth something "as long as it's a known fake" in years and years if the US gets them all banned and melted.
     
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