now this is disturbing

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"Felony offense to sell 'em or import 'em."

We don't have to "get there". We beat down on anyone over here who imports or sells them. A couple of years in SuperMax might chill 'em down a bit.

But "getting there" is possible. That's where the World Trade Organization, the State Department, and the Commerce Department negotiate with Chinese leaders.

Easy ? No.

Possible to win ? Yes.

It's better than throwing up one's hands and conceding defeat.

FIGHT LIKE HELL.

 

Interesting quote from Part 2 of the Coin World article :

"And he notes he has a big customer for fake early U.S. copper coins dated in the 1800s, if he can get the weight and alloy problems solved."

This "big customer" is not ignorant. He knows exactly what he is doing.

What he needs to be doing is doing time.

Chainsaw + SuperMax = Beat Down = one less problem

 

For now. It doesn't have to stay that way.

Another interesting quote from Part 2 :

"Jinghuashei is quick to admit that most types of counterfeiting actually are illegal in China, such as producing fake Tiffany jewelry and designer handbags. "

It is not unthinkable that one more item can be added to the list of illegal counterfeits in China.

Unless, of course, one lacks hope and the winner's instinct. In which case one is defeated before they begin.

We can win, and we will.

FIGHT LIKE HELL.

 

No surprise, the Chinese have about zero respect for Piracy, Counterfeiting and the like.

I got these coins, they were not stamped "COPY" or "REPLICA".

What did my local Secret Service office do? They didn't return my phone call.

 

Thats where you come in

 

That is because going after the supply side of the problem is futile. If you reduce supply the demand is still there and the prices will rise. The higher prices then encourage either more product to be produced or more suppliers to enter the field. On the other hand if you reduce the demand, then the oversupply results in reduced prices, and if you can hit the demand side hard enough it can reduce prices to the point where it isn't worthwhile to create the product and try and smuggle it in. The reward doesn't justify the risk.

The same would apply to the counterfeiting situation. A serious crackdown on people who are importing the fakes from China would eventually reduce the production of the fakes as well. If you have evidence that the importers know they are importing fakes then you can hit them with high fines and/or prison. If you think they aren't you just confiscate all of their product, issue them a warning, plus a warning that you will have a special watch on their future transactions. That should stop the casual importer from repeating, and if they are caught deliberately importing again then you can really throw the book at them. The crackdown should also be publicized along with data about those that have been caught. This provides a negative feedback that will encourage others not to start.

 

Let's look at the positive side of the coin.

If he is in the US, we can touch him. And we will. Oh, we'll "touch" him alright. Beat down. :hammer: SuperMax.

Ditto if he is in a country with extradition / jurisdictional treaty with the US.

But even if "he" isn't... the coins still have to enter the country. There may be a Mr. Big in a foreign country, but if this is a big operation, somewhere in the chain there is a Mr. Big on these shores. Time for a beatdown. :hammer:

And European shores, too... the article stated he is selling more world coins (several thousand a month) than US coins (1,000 a month).

We are not alone in standing against this.

 

We also have laws prohibiting driving 50mph in a school zone - do they stop it ? No.

We also have laws prohibiting rape and murder - do they stop it ? No.

Do they have a beneficial effect ? You bet they do. For several reasons.

Somewhere between 0% effectiveness and 100% effectiveness, we have the Great Sliding Scale. Some laws are 10% effective, some 90% effective. Others somewhere in between.

But I would rather be 1% effective than 0% - which is what happens if we fail to Fight the Good Fight.

We have multiple tools at our disposal.

We can win. And we will.

 

As noted earlier, we have succeeded in getting several items on the illegal list. It is not unthinkable that one more item can be added to the list of illegal counterfeits in China.

They may not be on our side right now... but that doesn't mean things cannot change.

Let's remember that the Europeans have a dog in this hunt, too. It is reasonable that we (US + EU) will be able to bring enough diplomacy or pressure on the Chinese to effect a change.

Part of the problem is the numismatic counterfeit market has not registered enough impact on the radar of folks outside the hobby. The entities I mentioned earlier - WTO, Commerce, Secret Service, Treasury, State - have some pretty big fish to fry these days.

We are not a very big fish.

So we better make some pretty big noise. Squeaky wheels.

 

Yep.

 

I think Ruben is really Chineese.

 

I wish some one would **** this ******* in theire ************* ***** so hard they couldn´t go to the toilett any more

But thats´s just my opinion :kewl: