Two Milwaukee Neighborhoods To Issue Own Currency

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Hobo, Dec 5, 2008.

  1. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Milwaukee neighborhoods could print own money

    That seems to fly in the face of the Constitution:

    Article I, Section 10, Clause 1

     
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  3. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    HoBo...

    There is a Town in western Massachusetts that is already doing this....
    The local Banks support it as well and will trade the local $$ fro 90 cents on the dollar!


    RickieB
     
  4. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Interesting, I have never heard of such a thing in the 21st century.
     
  5. chrlduck

    chrlduck Junior Member

    didnt they already rule that such was illegal.
    it was about the "liberty dollars"
     
  6. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    As far as I can tell, this is nothing more than gift cards (aka gift certificates). Nothing new here and many Chambers of Commerce already sell gift certificates.

    The town and media are just trying to sensationalize the story.
     
  7. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I think you're right. Thanks for putting it in perspective.
     
  8. RickieB

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  9. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    The problem with the Liberty Dollars was that (a) they were coins, which fall under a different and more restrictive section of the law than paper; and (b) there were many cases in which the individual spending them apparently claimed or implied that they were U.S. currency--and the design of the Liberty Dollars seemed to encourage this, despite the issuers' strenuous claims to the contrary.

    Local currencies are used in several cities in the U.S.; as someone has already pointed out, they're legally no different from gift certificates. As long as they look different enough from U.S. currency that nobody could reasonably confuse the two, the Treasury has no objection to them.

    Yes, it would be unconstitutional for a state government to issue such notes, but there's no law prohibiting a private coalition of businesses from doing so.
     
  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Quite a few places in Europe have been using such local "complementary currencies" for several years; some are successful, some have failed. In some cases here in DE you get a discount by using such notes, some models include a slowly decreasing value of the notes (an an incentive to spend the notes), in other cases the value does not change but you get only, say, 95% of the value back if you change the money back into euro cash.

    The biggest German project of that kind is the Chiemgauer, in SE Bavaria. It was launched in 2003; about 280,000 Chiemgauer notes are in circulation, and about 600 businesses in that area accept them. Are they "legal"? On one hand only the central bank (ECB) may issue paper money; on the other hand merchants are free to accept pretty much everything they want as a means of payment ...

    Christian
     
  11. jeankay

    jeankay Coin Hoarder

    (((That seems to fly in the face of the Constitution:
    Article I, Section 10, Clause 1
    Quote: No State shall . . . coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debt)))

    Hmmmm... doesn't that mean our government is breaking the constitutional law by issuing non precious metals to us for paying our debts?

    Just a thought.
    jeankay
     
  12. jeankay

    jeankay Coin Hoarder

    Something I forgot to mention.
    There is a little town in California where you can purchase 'chits' from the public school to use around town for buying items. When used at local shops the school gets back 10% which they can use to enhance the school budget. I do not believe it is wrong to support the local merchants as well as the school.
    jeankay
     
  13. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    No, the federal government is not a state. The point of the quoted clause is that the *states* aren't allowed to issue their own coins or paper money, or make their own decisions about what's legal tender. Other clauses explicitly give the federal Congress the authority to do both those things.

    (Well, it's not really all that explicit whether the Congress is allowed to issue paper money. There was quite a debate over this when paper money was first made a legal tender in the 1860s, but the Supreme Court upheld that law, so that's how the Constitution has been read ever since.)
     
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