ASE AT or NT (Poll)

I vote NT. The reason is I don't think this was done fast with heat or chemicals.

My problem with intent being the deciding factor is this. I found a BU morgan dollar in the bottom of my junk drawer. The coin layed there for I would guess a few years. It was heads down and the obverse showed very little toning the reverse on the other hand was a nice red with some bright blue in areas around the rim. I would call that NT. I turned the coin over a few weeks ago when I found it and set it back in the drawer reverse down with the intent of toning the obverse. So would my coin be half AT and half NT? I say no.

 

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I vote that this coin has been artificially toned. Now, I don't know that much about toned coins, but there are a few things that I think are questionable. First, on the obverse, notice especially in the bottom right how there is a lack of toning between the rim and where the pink starts. Also, notice (particularly on the obverse) how there is a break in the orange bands. It goes from orange to nothing to orange...not natural.

 

So, how was the coin stored to achieve this toning if it is not AT?

 

I would also like to know how it was stored.

 

Another member already posted the correct answer, perhaps you guys missed it.

 

I don't see any posts that state the storage method and status of AT/NT with certainty. What am I missing?

 

same here.

 

This is correct, TY Greg. The coin was sent to PCI and encapsulated with a designation that reads 100% white so that we can be certain that the coin had almost no toning when certified. The toning that has developed on the coin is a result of contact with the PCI insert. There are numerous examples of this toning occuring on ASE's. Here is one of several that an E-Bay seller is offering currently.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Target-Rainbow-Toned-BU-1999-Silver-Eagle_W0QQitemZ130218459851QQihZ003QQcategoryZ39488QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

Here is a the photo of the coin in the OP in the PCI holder.



The purpose of this thread was to show how extremely difficult it is to determine the nature of toning on a silver coin. My guess is that most of the AT guesses will now acquiese and call this coin NT. However, if I crack this coin out and send it to NGC, what are the chances that it will body bag? It shouldn't bag, but it might. That is a shame.

 

I would guess it was exposed to some sort of toning agent just before it was sent to PCI. Or maybe it was mis-labeled.

 

So you are a conspiracy theorist.

I already stated that there are numerous examples of these on the market which eliminates the mis-labeled theory. As to the other theory, perhaps you would like to explain what agent can be applied that will perfectly simulate target toning.

 

I haven't voted yet, guess I should cast my vote for NT now

Normally, I go for the coins that are all white, in my personal opinion I don't care for toning. There are some examples I have seen (this one included), that I do really like though. My question is this: what sort of a premium would this coin fetch over a common, non-toned 1999 MS-67 ASE?

 

This coin would currently drive 10X-20X bid easily.

 

lol this is kind of after the fact but i voted NT. because my brother inlaw has an ASE that looks almost exactly the same. that has been in a congrats to the grad holder since it was new. it is a 1994, but it toned the same way. he recieved it for HS graduation and has never opened it. i told him he could probably get big bucks to sell, but he isnt interested.

 

Wow, that's a lot o' scratch......real beauty. Congrats to you and your alma mater for knocking off the little rich boys over in Easton this past weekend.

 

AH!, but my alma mater beat them

 

Colgate, Holly Cross, Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, Villanova?

 

Now that is just rude, listing all of the teams that beat Lehigh this year. My guess is that RLM went to Princeton.

FWIW, Lehigh only cares about one game and thank you very much for pointing out that we put the smack down on Lafayette again!

Go Engineers, I mean mountain hawks. LOL

 

You people are your little schools.

 

On the CU forum, there is a long thread regarding a gentleman who figured out a way to AT coins while in TPG holders. He was no rookie numismatist. According to posts in that thread, he had the #1 registry set of Washington quarters. He's probably not the only person who's found a way to make this happen.

 

That is true, but he was not able to simulate target toning which needs the toning source to be only at the rims of the coin such as an insert or an album. His method would have toned the entire coin.