ASE AT or NT (Poll)

I whole heartedly agree with Phoenix! Kiss

 

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Im going to have to agree with NT - it wouldn't be such a hard decision if it wasnt an ASE.

I've seen toning from applied chemicals and heat (baking) and non turn out like that, with the rings at the edge. I'm sure there's a way to get that artificially, but I'm not sure how.

 

I was thinking the same thing. With a coin so new, it is pretty unusual to be this toned. But, I'd imagine if it was stored with just the right (or wrong depending on your outlook) conditions it could tone like this.

 

I also agree with Phoenix,

I did not vote but if I was just shopping coins at a show or on eBay I would have thought AT. Based on this post I think it's fair to assume it's not. What would have made me think AT is that the coin on the Obverse is very close to evenly toned all the way around the coin from the outside - in. Most NT coins I see seem to start in one spot and work there way around or in on a coin leaving a growth like pattern with an obvious starting area. Your nickel is a good example where the darker colors are not even.

Like the progression here:


and these:


I am no expert by any means so I just have to go on gut and I admit yours would have raised a red flag that a heat source (controlled well) might have caused this. With my very limited experience I can easily accept that it was NT if you say that you are positive it is.

Still looks appealing to me. Thanks ~ Darryl

 

NT- since lehigh claimed he purchased said coin, and I dont think he would buy a AT coin.

 

It's probably just my own weird taste in coins, but the toning does nothing for me. Nothing. I just don't like it whether it is NT or AT.

 

Yes I would. I have several AT coins. I also have many, many questionably toned coins. I am much more tolerant of questionable toning than most collectors. This thread and associated poll are a good example of why I don't mind questionable toning. The voters of this coins toning are split right down the middle on this coin. Half think the coin is definitely AT and the other half think it is definitely NT. A few can't make a determination and would have labeled it QT (questionably toned) if I had given the option.

However, most everybody (the AT group included) thinks the coin is very attractive. So what we have is a coin that is immensely attractive that we must classify as questionably toned because we can't decide if it is AT or NT. The TPG's at this point don't know either because they don't know the history of the actual coin. They can only make a determination as to whether the toning is market acceptable or not. If they deem it acceptable, the QT coin goes in a slab and trades at a very high value. If it is deemed unacceptable, it gets bagged and is treated essentially like an AT coin.

I think it would be a shame if the TPG's body bagged this coin and relegated it to the ranks of the AT crap that circulates on E-Bay. That is why I am tolerant of QT coins. I use the approach our country uses for it's justice system "Innocent until proven guilty." Instead I follow "NT until proven AT." I don't want to send an innoncent man to jail and I don't want to send an NT coin to AT hell.

 

So, should the TPG's label some coins "QT" or just not mention the toning at all?

If they say nothing - most will assume it is NT - maybe???

 

I have been of the opinion that they should use both the AT and QT designations for a long time. Slab all of them and let the market decide how much each classification is worth. And yes, if they keep quiet, most collectors will assume that the coin is NT even thought the TPG only considers the toning market acceptable and will never state that any toning is NT because they can't prove it.

 

Agree 150%

 

I posted AT within 2 seconds of seeing it. NGC holder or not.

 

The color progression is correct on this nickel, it is not on the ASE

 

Let me just say that if that were in a PCGS slab it would increase the value greatly.

 

To me, the AT vs NT discussion is similar to pre-ban steroids in baseball discussions. As a fan, you would look at a player's stats and wonder; but you were never absolutely certain. Many fans didn't care; they loved the home runs and pitchers who never wore out.

 

Thinking AT. Colors change too quickly for NT IMO.

 

I'm going AT, just based on my biased view that coins take at least 40 years to tone "naturally."

If I were offered this coin for purchase, while I admit it's a pretty coin, I would offer no premium above an untoned example. Show it to me in 2039 and we'll talk.

 

I disagree, to a point. If you put a coin on a window sill, and leave it alone, it'll tone quite nicely (depending on the coin), in a few months. But then again, it depends how you define NT and AT. Some people define NT as toning that had no help in becoming what it is, and others define it as toning that does not take a quick time to tone (like in a few minutes). The second opinion could be wrong, as I'm not sure on it, but I think that is what I remember reading. Like grading, I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion.

Phoenix

 

I also did not vote, I can't tell.

But I do know this, I would buy that coin if the premium was reasonable.

Even my wife (who is not a collector) said, "wow, I like that".

 

Exactly. To me, putting the coin on the window sill...or in an album that will result in toning is NT. What qualifies as AT to me is deliberately altering the coin. If the coin conveniently spends time in a place where it is more likely to tone (such as a window sill), even by design, I haven't done anything to the coin. Now, if the coin conveniently found it's way into an oven...that's a different story.

 

It;s my wallpaper now. Hope you don't mind lehigh