A Dream Coin, Pillar Dollar

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Mat, Jul 19, 2020.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Ever since I got my first Red Book when I was a kid I remember seeing the Pillar Dollar in the opening pages and always thought it was pretty cool.

    Fast forward to today & I finally added one to my collection.

    I purchased it from Harlan J Berk Buy or Big sale, the price seemed pretty good & I was lucky to get it on the opening of the sale.

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    Ferdinand VI (1747 - 1759)
    Mexico AR 8 Reales
    O: FERDND·VI·D·G·HISPAN·ET IND·REX M F 8, Crowned arms shield flanked by value and initials.
    R: VTRAQUE VNUM; Mo 1756 MoCrowned hemispheres flanked by crowned pillars.
    27g
    39mm
    KM#104.2

    Ex. Harlan J Berk Buy or Bid Sale #212, July 2020
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2020
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  3. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Mat, I'm on your page (metaphorically) about the entire collecting-as-a-kid thing. Yep, including old Red Books, and That Same pillar dollar. ...We were There.
    Except, your example can only compare favorably to the one in the Red Books, never mind the quality of the pictures. (Sadly, all of this is from memory. ...Memo to self: this is Why you Don't Toss Books.)
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Very Nice, used to own one of those myself :)


    1756 8 reale obv.jpg 1756 8 reale rev.jpg
     
  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    These are one of my favorite coins. I hope to own a nice example someday. Thanks for sharing :)
     
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  6. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    Wow, that comes out of left field! I always thought of these as pirate treasure coins and wanted one myself. That’s actually a lie. I wanted a treasure chest of them.

    This is a really nice coin. Occasionally there is a relative bargain in their offerings. Good job spotting it.
     
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  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Well, except, by the time these were being minted in Mexico City, piracy along the lines of Edward Teach et al. was already a memory.
    ...For that, you're mostly stuck with 'cobs,' for instance from Mexico City and Potosi. It's kind of like that much of the medieval series; what you get in terms of historical context, you're likely to lose esthetically.
     
  8. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice coin. Here's what happened to one of these pillar dollars (Mexico, 1769) after it got caught up in the China trade for a few years - chopmarks, crud, etc.:

    Mexico - 1769 8 Reales Jul 2020 phot (0).jpg
     
  9. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    The OP's coin looks pretty good but be aware that there are very good looking counterfeits out there -- including ones with chops (and I am particularly suspicious when I see the same chops repeated multiple times). Please check for the proper edge design and weight your examples and make sure they are at least 26.80g. Checking that the specific gravity is 10.31 would be a good way to verify that the alloy is correct.
     
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  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Not my cup of tea, but neet addition
     
  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Nice addition! I want another. Traded mine away a few years ago, and miss having one.

    (PCGS AU50)
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Same here, when I was a kid. It used to be the very first coin pictured in the Red Book. It might still be, but in my new 5th Edition Mega Red I notice the honor of being pictured in the introduction has gone to the New England shilling instead.
     
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  13. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Very nice, and congrats on obtaining a genuine piece of history!

    Here's the one I used to own. Like you, I had always dreamed of owning one after seeing it in the Red Book as a kid.

    JPW618 obverse.jpg JPW618 reverse.jpg
     
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  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    That is a pretty example of what is, in my opinion, one of the most attractive coin designs of the 18th century. Notice the odd-looking '5' in the date - that is the old, or 'Spanish' style 5. It was eventually replaced with the traditional arabic style 5.
    Well done, Mat! nice example.

    I collect these too, but prefer the southern mints, Lima for example. Here is one I am very fond of.

    Peru Lima 1 Real 1753-2 - OBV - VVGP !!  - 1.jpg Peru Lima 1 Real 1753-2 - REV - VVGP !!  - 1.jpg
     
  15. benveniste

    benveniste Type Type

    Nice! Mine is one of rare times I took a gamble on a raw coin and it paid off:

    1770-Pillar-Obv.jpg 1770-Pillar-Rev.jpg
     
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  16. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    ^Very nice coins, guys.
     
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