Fake 1890 Morgan

Did anybody examine the coin Why would the coin have die breaks if it's a counterfeit i 'm not an expert on how they make them ,but to me how is it possible there are die breaks on this coin . / Could any body answer that question to ease my mind would appreciate it.

Jazzcoins Joe

 

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Counterfeit coins are usually made from dies that are themselves made from genuine coins. If the genuine host coin has die cracks and the counterfeit faithfully reproduces the host coin the die cracks will be included on the counterfeit die and on all counterfeit coins made from those counterfeit dies.

 

encil:Thanks for the explaination hobo i have know idea about theae counterfiets I learned something today

Jazzcoins Joe.:whistle:

 

I think it's counterfeit, but not a struck coin. The smaller diameter points to it's being a cast copy. The molds would have been exact size but when the molten metal cooled it shrunk slightly. This is possibly the easiest way to tell a casting copy. As far as its having been "spooned", a good photo of the rim should tell that story.

 

I agree with David. Classic example of a cast fake.
Guy~

 

Guess what. You agree with me, too! :hail:

 

And I, too, agree with you too. Except I gave an explanation for my reasoning.

 

I see. I had a math teacher once that took off points if you did not show your work. The correct answer alone was not enough.

 

Some of my thoughts from a quick glance.

 

Showing only a correct answer could mean that you simply copied the answer from someone else.

Showing the steps that led to the correct answer shows that you know the subject.

Saying "It's a counterfeit !" may be the correct answer, but explaining the logic which led you to make that pronouncement is a lot more informative and educational to others.

Saying "It's definitely a fake. It looks cast from the photo." doesn't carry much weight, epecially if you claim to be "...a moron when it comes to counterfeits."

 

I guess sometimes we just take for granted we all agree the sky is blue and the grass is green. So, in keeping it educational, here is why I say it's fake:

First, the rim is obviously way too thick....twice that of a normal Morgan. Second, for the grade, there is too much graininess in the fields. I don't know if bubbles form when cast or what, but they're always like this on cast pieces. The lettering looks like balloon letters. The denticles from 3-8 o'clock are disconnected from the rim and appear as dots and not teeth.
Guy~

 

The most obvious place is the reverse wings. The design is different. The lines are different.

 

There are so many things wrong with this coin it is easier to say what is correct. Now that has been defined I think it is time to explain the correct details. .... Done

 

You obviously missed another thread where a newcomer called me a moron because I said his raw Draped Bust Heraldic Eagle Dollar - that he bought for a "steal" - may be counterfeit.

 

I like it. If you think about there is more time involved in making a fake.

 

Great! want to buy it!!! Just kidding:goofer:

 

Looks like a poor quality cast copy to me. Fat rims and tiny holes from the casting process.

 

Lol

 

I say it is a fake. The date does not look right, the curl on the obverse head is longer than it should be, date looks cast, looks to be a chinese fake

 

When you posted your response, you forgot to include the disclaimer..............

"WARNING: This thread is more than 3 years old, so don't be surprised if the OP doesn't respond."

Chris