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Sorry - I just saw this post but I see you were able to confirm without me. Good job. I haven't mapped S-121 - so I wouldn't have been much help anyway.

 

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It came in a couple of days ago, but I had a bit of trouble getting to the mailbox (still recovering from another Arteriogram.)

This is an example of an EDS S-213 from the Heritage Archives and new images of the SUBJECT.


The Berry stem at O(N) pretty much excludes S-213 or Reverse A and it was the closest match.

 

I concur that it is not S-213. I like S-220 now

 

I'm looking closely at that (Reverse F) now. Some comps seem to exclude it and some do not. The berry at C(E) appears close to the stem on some like the subject and distant on others.

 

I also see the (1804) date from the photos.

 

This is a closeup of the date:

If it's Obverse 7 (S-219.NC-2, NC-5, S-220), then it doesn't appear to be a late die state like 4 of my other 5. The other being what appears to be a very rare Die State I.

I don't think I can exclude Obverse 7 so I'll go with S-220 Middle Die State.

 

It went for (IMO) very stupid money, so it's now a moot point.

But how about this 1800/79 I just bought (seller's pics), anything exciting about it? :

 

It looks like a middle die state S-194 at first glance.

 

I think that’s what I had it as when I saw it

 

I just picked up this project. It's obviously an 1800.

The Obverse has either a huge CUD in the lower curls to the left side of the first 0 or a good imitation. TY appears to be distant, at least more so than on many and perhaps all.

The Reverse appears to have CENT left of the standard Reverse of 1799 HUB position with the left upright of N pointing at the right gap between loops rather than the left side of the right loop. There appears to be some crumbling under each side of (C)A. The primary stem to the top left single leaf appears sketchy rather than smooth. Reminiscent of 1801 NC-5, though I've already ruled that out.

Photos are taken on a bias and I rounded them as well as I could, but will hope I can take better photos when it arrives. Some damage and some strength make it intriguing.

 

Reverse looks like that of S-201

 

I just got an S-121b Breen Die State I in today, and there is a portion of the edge with diagonal marks. I will take some pics later

 

Thanks. There are almost no edge shots of the edge varieties Breen describes for the 97s and 98s except for the gripped edge.

 

It's a possibility. But I still see the left upright of N(T) left of any Reverse of 1799 Hub. The fraction looks close (but not Rev of 96 close) with a short fraction Bar tilted right, All things that require better photos to confirm or reject.

I have problems taking photos of the whole coin, but I seem to be able to get good close up photos of detail (if there.)

While a new variety is always possible, it's far more likely to find a new terminal die state of a known variety.

Or it could always be some PMD or a planchet flaw. I'd really like to see if I can get a sharper edge on the left upright of the N above the loops. Thats the most "off" part of the puzzle for 1800s which are all from a single HUB. I'm wondering if I'll get another movement of position like on the S-38 which seemed to move depending on the lighting.

 

It’s actually Breen die state III.

 

That matches the diagonal marks I saw on my (now formerly) S-121c.

 

I'd say the diagonal marks are post mint damage, and occured after the coin was well worn. Look at the edges of the grip marks, they are rounded and worn. Look at the edges of the diagonal marks, they are sharp, not worn or rounded.

 

That’s basically my conclusion from in-hand examination

 

When it gets here, I'm going to check closely at an 8K Die Marriage. There's certainly nothing that cries out any variety.

 

This is easy to attribute, but it goes in my die state collection.