Buzz buzz, got stung by a lovely bee

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Only a Poor Old Man, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    If there is a main theme to my collection it would probably have to be iconic coins from iconic Greek cities, even though I am open to other interesting coins. @svessien actually noticed this theme in the Moesia Istros thread I opened not too long ago. When he mentioned it, I already had my eye on the following coin. I was probably gonna get it eventually, but his reminder of my unintentional theme made me decide to grab it a bit earlier. Too early perhaps as I had already exceeded my monthly coin budget.

    As far as iconic cities go, Ephesos would be in the top of everyone list's. Even better, they minted very distinctive coins with a lovely little bee that is known as the Ephesos bee. They are not as common as some others like the Ahtrenian Owl or the Corinthian Pegasi. Also, good quality bees are scarcer and big coins like tetradrachms are quite pricey! So, when I found this little drachm with a very decent bee, it became a target!

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    In hand it looks really lovely in the small frame as the bee is very detailed. The reverse is not as fine, but to be honest in these coins the bees are usually the focus of attention. Probably when it comes to tetradrachms the reverse is equally important, as the deer is quite artistic and unusual. Wont' be able to afford one of those anytime soon, but I am very happy with this little bee, and no, I wasn't stung price-wise!

    Having a bit of trouble finding info on Dioskouridis or Dioskourides the magistrate allegedly mentioned in the coin. I guess he wasn't a big name. The only thing I can find is that he was a part of the Seleukid administration between 258-202 BC. The seller mentioned the date range of 202-150, I wonder why.

    Show me your Ephesos coins, bees, or any other lepidoptera, or any coins where one side is so important that you don't mind about the condition of the other!
     
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  3. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

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  4. dougsmit

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    I thought we just did these recently. All I have I don't think I have shown for a while is this AE14 which is my smallest coin with a countermark. I suspect the c/m is a bird??? Of course a bee would be better.
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice one. Looking forward to your next iconic catch.

    Ionia Ephesos drachm.jpg IONIA, Ephesos
    AR Drachm. 4.17g, 17.8mm. IONIA, Ephesos, circa 202-150 BC, Ekatokles, magistrate. Kinns, The Attic Weight Drachms of Ephesos, NC 1999, S.86; SNG von Aulock 7826. O: Bee between E-Φ. R: Stag standing right, in front of palm tree, EKATOKΛHΣ to right.

    And here's another one from Ephesos, about 400 years later.

    Salonina - Ionia Ephesos AE29 Artemis ex Bavarian 3547.jpg
    SALONIINA
    AE29. 9.26g, 29.5mm. IONIA, Ephesus, AD 254-268. Karwiese 1184 (this coin cited and illustrated). O: · CAΛΩN · XPVCOΓONH · CЄBA ·, diademed and draped bust right on crescent. R: EΦECIΩN Γ N-EΩ-KOPON, Artemis, standing facing, head right, raising right hand and holding bow; tree behind her, stag at her side.
    Ex N. M. McQ. Holmes Collection; ex "Bavarian Collection" (Numismatic Fine Arts XXXI, 18 March 1993, lot 1141)
     
  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Beautiful coin! It's hard to tell because your images are very small, but I think you're right about the reverse die match (tell-tale die break coming off the base of the palm tree).

    Here's an Epheses tessera with an interesting story:

    [​IMG] IONIA, Ephesus. Anoynmous
    c. CE 1st century
    Æ tessera, 19mm, 5.14 g
    Obv: CKωΠI, stage kneeling left, head right; E to left, Φ to right
    Rev: KHPIΛICωΔEΠPOCΠAΛVPIN surrounding a bee
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 355; BMC 186; SNG von Aulock 1875
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-magical-tessera.277808/
     
  7. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    Nice drachm, @Only a Poor Old Man ! I don't have one yet, but here is a tiny 8mm bee and stag combo from Ephesos:

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    Ionia, Ephesos Æ 8mm
    Circa 305-295 BC
    Obverse: Bee with straight wings within linear circle
    Reverse: E-Φ, Head of stag right
    References: Lindgren III 345; SNG Keckman 219; SNG Kayhan 147 ff
    Size: 8mm
    Weight: .58g
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am a contemporary Beekeeper, too.

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    Iona-Ephesos AR Obol Bee - opposing stag heads 340 BCE Seaby


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    Iona-Ephesos AR Hemi-Drachm-TriObol Bee - Incuse Sq TIMESIANAX 335-320 BCE Seaby 4368
     
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  9. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    Sorry about the small pics, it is a known fact that I suck at coin photography. Here is a bigger example of the coin pics:

    eph_big.jpg

    I actually meant that the bee side is a more convincing die match, but I think you are right about the palm side too. It is pottentially a double-die match. I only have about a dozen coins but two of them are double-die matches. The other one is my Mysia hemidrachm.
     
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  10. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Nice drachm, I still need to get one of the later types.
    Both in my collection are Archaic.
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    Ephesos, Ionia. AR Drachm (500 - 420 B.C)
    Obverse:
    Bee with curved wings, EΦEΣION.
    Reverse: Quadripartite incuse square
    Reference: BMC Ionia pg. 49, 12; SNG Copenhagen 210; SNG Kayhan 140
    3.20g; 14mm

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    Ephesos, Ionia. AR Tetartemorion (500 - 420 B.C)
    Obverse:
    Bee with curved wings
    Reverse: EΦ, eagle's head right within incuse square
    Reference: SNG Kayhan 126; Karwiese Series IV
    0.20g; 6mm
     
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