An upgrade from CNG

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, May 22, 2020.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Hi all,

    Many of you have seen many posts from me on rare coins of the Flavians but especially Domitian. In the first year of his rule Domitian's denarii copied the designs for his brother Titus before him. The following coins feature one such reverse type. On the denarii of Titus there is a type with a triangular frame. Itself it is quite a common coin. However, on some of the reverse a lituus is shown under the frame. These are scarce to very rare depending on the number of palmettes featured on the triangular frame. You will find this reverse with 3, 5, or 9 palmettes. When Domitian had these coins struck he also included the rare variant. Below you will see RIC 3 for Domitian with no Lituus. The next coin was my first example with a lituus, and the last coin is the upgrade I won in the CNG auction yesterday.

    I am also thrilled that this coin was part of the Benito collection. The final picture is shown with the kind permission of CNG auctions.

    Domitian_RIC_3_for_Koinon-removebg-preview copy.jpg
    Picked this one up 4 years ago. Notice, no lituus under the frame.
    Domitian. AR denarius (18.15 mm, 3.36 g, 7 h). Rome A.D. 81. (Group 1)
    Obv: IMP CAESAR DOMITIANVS AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: TR P COS VII, draped throne, back decorated with grain ears.
    RIC 3 (R); BMCRE 2; RSC 554a.
    Ex: William Rosenblum Coins Ex:Agora Auctions March 22, 2016 lot 52-174
    Purchased from Agora Auctions March 22, 2016.

    Domitian_RIC_3_var_for_Koinon-removebg-preview copy 2.jpg

    I picked up this one from our own @PeteB
    Domitian. AR denarius 81 CE (Group 1)
    (16.88 mm 3.02 g,). Rome mint, struck A.D. 81.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR DOMITIANVS AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: TR P COS VII, draped throne, back decorated with grain ears Lituus beneath
    the frame.
    RIC 3 Var (R);. RSC 554a Var BMC 2 Var
    Ex: Akropolis Ancient Coins June 22, 2017.

    Domitian RIC 3 VAR CNG May 20,2020 copy.jpg

    And at last here is the upgrade I bought from CNG.
    Domitian. AD 81-96. AR Denarius
    (17.5mm, 3.47 g, 6h). Rome mint.
    Struck 13 September-31 December AD 81.
    Obv: Laureate head right; IMP CAESAR DOMITANVS AVG
    Rev: Pulvinar (throne) of Jupiter and Juno: square seat, draped, with tassels: it has a triangular frame on it, on which are three vertical bars on each side and one palmette in center, there is a lituus under the triangular frame; TR P COS VII.
    RIC II.1 3 (Var); RSC 554a.
    Light tone over hairlined surfaces. Good VF.
    From the Benito Collection.
    CNG electronic auction 468 Lot 411
     
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  3. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Orfew ....Wonderful looking upgrade..The portrait is stunning! You dont see the beard so detailed on many Domitian coins...Congrats.
     
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks so much for the kind words Paul...they are appreciated. I agree with you about the beards of Domitian. The beards have worn off of many of his denarii.
     
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  5. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the upgrade @Orfew that is a lovely bust of Domitian. He looks like a first rate tough, ready to bust some heads.
     
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  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Not only an upgrade, but a double die pair match!

    Regarding the beard - I always describe both Titus and Domitian as 'bearded', although on most specimens the beard has worn off.
     
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  7. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    Very impressive example.
     
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  9. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    That really is a nice pick-up @Orfew, lovely coin! I really like how earlier coins show Domitianus with Lombroso like facial features, unlike his later issues, which have the more sophisticated looking portrait. Are the earlier portraits more realistic?
     
  10. Romancollector

    Romancollector Well-Known Member

    Very nice upgrade @Orfew !!

    I agree with @Limes there seems to have been a transformation of Domitian's portraiture. Going back to his earliest coinage as Caesar, Domitian's portraits seem to imitate the stocky and veristic appearances of his father and brother. After he became emperor, his portraiture seems to have a more chiseled, youthful appearence. Was he perhaps harkening back to an Augustan ideal? Does anyone have the explanation for this?
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Flavian portraits were broadly veristic until Domitian's coinage reform in 82. After that point the portraiture became more idealised, perhaps reflecting the 'dominus et deus' philosophy of Domitian.
     
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  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    The coin arrived today. I am thrilled by how this one appears in hand. The CNG photo looks a bit dull. Here is my photo.This is how the coin actually looks.

    d3 var cng.jpg
     
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  13. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Orfew,

    An excellent specimen!

    I'm a little doubtful about the identification of the object on the throne, however.

    Doesn't look much like the standard lituus, as on this denarius of Vespasian from CoinArchives, on the far right.
     

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  14. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    (Why does my picture appear just as an attachment, rather than in the thread?)
     
  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow, @Orfew , some great coins! Gotta lotta good flava with those Flavians! Would love to see your complete collection someday, especially with the specialization you have going on! Nice stuff.

    Congrats!
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    When you post, press the Full Image button, instead of Thumbnail. That may help.
     
  17. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Many thanks for the kind words Curtis. As for the supposed Lituus, you’re right it does not really look like a typical Lituus. I have always heard it called a Lituus and I cannot think of what else it might be.

    Thanks again for the comments
     
  18. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

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    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  20. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    My friend you are welcome anytime. I have a grill, a freezer full of meat, and cold ones in the fridge.
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    AWESOME! et tu, the same!
     
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