Playing With My Lightbox

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  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    After rearranging the ancients in FFIVN and my collection today, I decided to bust out the light box that Mrs. FF gave me for my birthday last week. The set up was incredibly simple and it the LEDs plug in via USB.
    It is a rather large box (like 18x18) so shooting coins was a bit difficult. I first laid one on the base and shot through the hole in the top. It turned out nice but didn't show the true colors.
    Example:
    Orodes I.png

    When I held the coin up closer to the light source, the coloring showed a lot better. Example:
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    Unfortunately, holding the coin made me a bit shakey and the pictures came out a bit blurred.

    I think I need to get something so that coin is closer to the light source. Perhaps a stack of books or something.

    I took pictures of some other coins just to see how they turned out. I think once I get the lighting right, they will look far and above better that what I was taking with my phone previously.

    Do any of you use light boxes? If so, how do you get your coins to be in the best light source? Here are some other pictures:
    Domitian As.png Indoscithian.png John Tzmiskes Follis.png Kyme.png peace.png Posthumous.png Severina.png

    Tagging @lordmarcovan because he was interested in how the lightbox worked out.
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thank you. I hope to be playing with my own, soon. I just ordered a small one - only 12"×8" - as I want something compact and portable I can use with my phone.

    It is a Sanoto MK30 and cost only 49 bucks (the smallest model this company puts out). I was hoping for something small and simple and inexpensive, yet not junk.

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    As mentioned, lighting has been my coin photography Achilles heel. I've tried all sorts of adjustable lamp setups and just can never seem to get good, consistent results. It has been frustrating. If this little thing provides a solution, it will have been well worth the money. We'll see.

    I look forward to getting it in a few days and will post some results of my early experimentation.
     
  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    The thing I like about this box is that it has a circular LED setup. I think that should reduce the glare on coins. I need to try it with some shinier coins still though. It also has adjustable brightness, which I didn't mess with yet.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I did expect your photos to look a little bit brighter. The ones above look OK, but I would never have guessed they were taken in a lightbox. The circular LED setup on yours might prove to be a good thing, for all I know. Maybe better than the parallel tube arrangement on my smaller, no doubt cheaper setup.
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I’m pretty sure this set up cost less than yours. It isn’t anything fancy.
    Once I figure out a good height for the coins to be at in relation to the camera, I plan on starting to mess with the lighting. I didn’t get much time to myself today(homeschooling 2 kids sucks!) but hopefully I can work on it a bit each day.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Got a picture of the setup itself, if you have time?
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I’ll get one tomorrow. Time to put the kids to bed! :)
     
  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Your second set of images of that Parthian/Elymais coin look pretty good. You should get decent results once you come up with something to put the coins on. I'll be watching your progress with interest.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Ehh... never mind on my lightbox. I got an email from the company, who wanted $15 more to ship it, "as the logistics has increase the prices level" (sic). o_O:shifty:

    The offer I bought was advertised with free shipping. I took the "full refund" alternative they offered to the $15 shipping increase.

    The English in the email was so poor, I just got a shady vibe. Hopefully the refund will happen. Time to start over... :meh:
     
  11. Denis Richard

    Denis Richard Well-Known Member

    A light box is not the best way to get a coin photo. Numismatic photography is about controlling the light on a coin and a light box is about scattering it all over the place. This may actually work well for a few coins, depending on the finish, etc, but that's more by accident than design, like a broken clock is still right twice a day.

    I've attached a few shots of mine so you can judge if you think I know what I'm talking about.

    Do you shoot mostly raw, proof or certified coins? There are different techniques for each.


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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  13. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I have found that many methods work well on coins in good condition. It's the rough-shape bronzes that drive me crazy.
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have had more problems with darkly toned coins. By dark I mean nearly black patina. Like many, I seem to spend a lot of time imaging a single coin. More time then I want to spend. I get so frustrated sometimes.
     
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  15. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Those are great photos @Denis Richard .
    I am mostly wanting to shoot my ancients but I have some world coins I’d like to image as well.
     
  16. almostgem

    almostgem Junior Member

    Love the effect of soft light in all the photos. Have they been enhanced with photoshop ? On the two pence, it looks almost like it was shot with a softbox, but yet, something used to limit where the light flows. Very nice. Offering lessons perhaps ?
     
  17. Denis Richard

    Denis Richard Well-Known Member

    I find the rough surfaced coins the easiest to work with, as they lessen reflections. All you really need to do with rough coins is control is the contrast and the direction of the light. Here are a few ancient coins with a really beat up surfaces, but still make interesting images.

    April 21 2020-1.jpg

    This image, of Lucilla, needed additional contour dodging and burning in Photoshop to bring out the shapes. With ancients, dodging and burning can be a regular part of my work flow, but always remember to keep it looking natural.



    Feb 13 2020-4.jpg

    This image is almost right out of the camera, but it took a while to find it in camera, if you know what I mean. The coin grading people would consider this junk, but I love the feel of the image... and it is almost 2000 years old. Feb 20 2020-3.jpg
    I added a bit of FX to the last one, for fun... and again, contrast control is very important for this image.
     
  18. Denis Richard

    Denis Richard Well-Known Member

    I hear you.. but with the right tools, you can get these kinds of images from very dark coins. Keep in mind dark coins need to be dark in the final image, to look real, but you need to coax detail out of the shadows. April 8 2020-1.jpg Feb 22 2020-2.jpg .
     
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  19. Denis Richard

    Denis Richard Well-Known Member

    I can help you with ancients.. I've shot a truck load of them. Have you tried axial lighting? I strongly suggest you look into it. Feb 9 2020-1.jpg Feb 18 2020-1.jpg Feb 29 2020-2.jpg March 5 2020-3.jpg March 11 2020-2.jpg May 19 2020-1.jpg
     
  20. Denis Richard

    Denis Richard Well-Known Member

    Not a softbox, no, but a LEE 216 diffuser. I use a custom made axial lighting setup like this;

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  21. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Where is the lighting in your set up?
     
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