Here's the obv Lehigh. Yes Mike, it is a '97-P matte. And the other Mike, I am not trying to penalize anything. I am making a point for those that say that allowances should not be made based on date and mint in regard to grading. This coin exemplifies the fact that allowances must be made. Because you are right about 99% of the coins not having a strike like this. However they do exist. Some years ago the discussion of full steps came up on the NGC forum. It was the usual discussion with some asking why full steps and others answering because that is the area that it is hardest to find with a full strike. I argued that point, saying that finding a coin with the windows fully struck was much harder than finding one with 6 steps. Someone then asked me how I knew this to be true when nobody else seemed to know it. The attitude was that I couldn't possibly be right because the experts and books said otherwise. My answer was that yeah they were right, I didn't know anything about nickels and was just making it all up That seemed to satisfy them and the thread ended. But I dare ya, double dare ya, to find me 10 such coins. They are out there, but nobody looks for them. They are too busy looking for full steps to notice the windows. And because of that, the coins that actually do have the best strike are ignored.
The thing about the stairs is like Potassium Levels with MD's in the hospital. They can measure it easily, and they know it should be about 3.4 and if it is 3.1 they give a bunch of potassium, always too fast and too dangerously, and its all because they can ADD. It is so much easier to solve something when you can count it easily and you can count to 6 stairs, right? So why look for the quality of the windows which isn't so clear cut? Ruben
Well said! When paying a premium for a designation, it is prudent to find a completely fully struck example. Another value, in my opinion, are the "almost but not quite" fully struck on the designated detail -- to use the example provided an almost but not quite full step Jefferson -- but fully struck everywhere else. One a bit closer to my heart as a large cent collector are almost RD (but in RB holders). There are other examples.....but we digress. So what's the darn grade, Lehigh?
p.s. a friendly suggestion for the next poll, Lehigh...give us a wider range of answers. By limiting the answers to only 4 grades, you kind of stack the deck. Just a thought, respectfully submitted.
Have to disagree that this is what the reverse of Lehighs 1938 should look look like in regard to the amount of detail. The reverse has been modified several times and details sharped since 1938. I did say ms66.
Wow, I had never thought of that before. Very interesting and good information. Thank you for sharing that! I agree with you on allowances being made, but I do think yours is somewhat of an unfair example. Those matte coins were struck for collectors and intended to have a suburb strike. A don't think a strike of that quality is going to be seen with real business strike coins. I think you can hold the matte coin as an example of what "perfect" strikes are and try and find a coin as close as possible...but I don't think you can grade the two coins with the same criteria. The matte coin is produced differently (because the dies are prepared slightly differently and close measure is taken to ensure an excellent strike). I believe this is why one of the TPGs (NGC?) began grading these coins with the prefix SP rather than MS.
Mike, I only inlcuded the four grades because I didn't think that any lower grades were reasonable given the photos. Here is the answer. You guys did very well with this one. FWIW, this coin is very well struck. I will try to take another photo of the reverse and show that all of the windows are there. I was concentrating more on color than strike in the first photo.