Here's what $603,750.00 looks like

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by davidh, Nov 1, 2008.

  1. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    HA Auction in Dallas, October 23, 2008. This gem is graded...well, I'll play Guess The Grade. Post your opinions, without looking it up.

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  3. Greyford

    Greyford Senior Member

    I'm no good at grading gold but I'm going to guess AU-55.
    The hair is a bit worn and some scratches on the front and a rim ding on the back. I also cheated and found that there were none higher than AU-58.

    That said ..... I want it really really bad :goofer:
     
  4. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I think AU-53.
     
  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    There comes a point where I don't render an opinion.
    This coin is beyond that point.
    Why?
    Because with coins this valuable the TPGs REALLY start playing with market grading and not technical grading.
    So, in general these are not coins that are good to learn grading from.
     
  6. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Maybe not, but I have fun making my best guess and then seeing what's on the holder.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Hard to say, it's got some strike weakness problems but it has some actual wear as well and the surfaces seem pretty baggy with impaired luster except right around the stars and devices (possibly from an old cleaning). Personally I find it rather lacking in eye appeal. I'd say techically a 50, net a 40, and the TPG probably 55 maybe even a 58. If they called it MS they are definitely off thier rockers.
     
  8. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    I'm gonna say XF.

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    PS: Don't it looked cleaned?
     
  9. Eric Coin

    Eric Coin New Member

    XF and way to much money! WOW
     
  10. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    I'd say that a coin like this was probably bumped up because of, like kanga said, market grading, to get the best possible money from it. I'd say the TPG put it at least an MS60. But for a technical grade I'd give it an AU55. Only 3,250 of these were minted so I'd consider this coin quite a rarity.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My opinion XF40, suspect the TPG said AU53.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's worse than that, less than 35 are thought to even exist.
     
  13. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    Wow, no wonder the bids went up so high. This is just amazing to me. With a coin as large as the Double Eagle and for one this rare, you would think that all would be accounted for and reside in high profile collections somewhere. My question is.. Where would 3,215 of these coins disappear to? Would they have most likely been melted? I cant imagine that any would have been just simply lost.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ever hear of shipwrecks ? The finest example known, NGC AU58 came from the S.S. Republic.
     
  15. jnstrom

    jnstrom Member

    Beauty!!! I would also say a AU-55
     
  16. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    XF40, maybe 45 on a good day. No way it's AU, and no way it's VF, so it's gotta be XF.
     
  17. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    Some of you people are way too harsh on this coin. The obverse has the appearance of a decent amount of wear, but when you look at the reverse, you can see that there is still a lot of details remaining which should immediately call into question the actual amount of wear on the coin.

    I don't know what this coin graded or which TPG graded it, but given what I wrote above, I think it has the appearance of a nice solid Choice AU coin.
     
  18. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    It was graded and sold as AU-55. Seems a bit high but I guess population influences grading. Actually, it is entirely meaningless what the grade it. With a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy something of this rarity, if you want it you're not going to pass on it hoping to find a better grade later.
     
  19. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    When you look at this coin and the proof half dollar discussed in another thread, it would seem that 1854 would have been a good year to visit the New Orleans Mint. The 1854-O Large-O quarter is a fairly good performer too. It would have been $20.75 well spent.
     
  20. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    And if you're throwing down six hundred large on a coin none of your billionaire buddies have, the number on the slab is not the first thing on your mind.

    I would agree the numerical grade becomes somewhat less important as the rarity increases - for a number of reasons.
     
  21. HazardJoe

    HazardJoe New Member

    This was bought as an investment like someone would buy a house today in this market and sell it for a big profit 6-8 yrs from now. I bet that coin will bring a cool million next time it sells.
     
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