Circulation of Gold Coins?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Magman, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    hmm, I see.
    But what about all those F graded morgan dollars and such? or even the walking liberties?

    anyway, thanks for the info :)
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But how many do you actually see ? They really aren't as numerous as you think. Yes, some circulated. But compared to the numbers that were minted, hundreds of millions, the number of circ coins are miniscule.
     
  4. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    ah, very true, very true.
     
  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    That is a great point, there seems to be a ton of uncirculated Morgan and Peace Dollars. It seems like the rare examples are a result of combining low mintage and being melted down...not from circulation.
     
  6. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    There are relatively more high grade gold coins around today simply because many, if not most, of the lower grade ones were melted down in the 30's.

    Only the $1.00, $2.50 and $5.00 gold saw any appreciable circulation, and those only with the affluent. Remember, in 1850 the average working American made around $5/week. By 1900 this had risen to around $15/week. Most people simply didn't have the luxury of owning, holding or even touching a gold coin.

    How many times have you seen a cowboy movie when the guy rides into town, goes straight to the tavern and slaps down a Double Eagle for a drink, and doesn't get any change back. That $20 would come close to buying the entire bar.

    Probably 98% (a number I made up) of the American people never had the opportunity to even see someone else's gold. Rich people in big cities may have had opportunity or reason to use gold; nobody else did.
     
  7. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector


    I'm not disagreeing but even where people bought more expensive items like a carriage or a house they were probably not going to pay in gold but in paper or silver. They used checks or bank drafts and these were usually backed by gold tucked safely in a vault.

    Most heavily worn gold was probably carried as a pocket piece but older pieces may have seen some heavier circulation and handling.
     
  8. zekeguzz

    zekeguzz lmc freak

    Good reasons, all of the above. But in my paperback westerns the outlaws and good guys had $20 gold pieces, eagles I guess. Thought I'd add a chuckle to this thread. We were all born 100yrs. to late I reckon, shucks.
    zg;)
     
  9. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    One of my Great-Grandfathers was a wealthy farmer in Indiana in the mid to late 1800's. I have a diary he kept with some of his financial dealings in it. He paid temporary hired hands 50 cents per day (sunup to sundown) plus room and board. Aside from growing crops, he dealt largely in hogs. I know he must have been paid with gold coins occasionally because when he died in 1913, leaving an estate worth $30,000 (about $3 million today), one of his gold pieces went to my Grandmother and I got it from her. It was an 1838 half eagle. I say "was" because it was stolen from me in 1978. :mad:
     
  10. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I heard that during the building of the Panama canal , they paid the US supervisors in gold coin and all the others in silver , does anyone know anything about this ?
    rzage
     
  11. zekeguzz

    zekeguzz lmc freak



    My deepest condolences for the loss of yor half eagle. I would have liked to see that very much.
     
  12. Onehawk33

    Onehawk33 Senior Member

    Didn't the western states have an aversion to paper money? I understood low mintage; distrust of paper money; and release of the eintire mintage to circulation; as explanations why the 1893 S morgan is very scarce in grades above VF. I've heard others speculate that 5 years of average circulation degrades from BU to XF.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes they do say that. But paper money was still more widely used than silver or gold, once they had paper money in large enough supply.

    As for how fast gold wears, what would say this coin grades ?
     

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  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    VF-20 , make that F-15
    rzage
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well it's been in my pocket for 6 1/2 years. And I took those pics tonight.


    These pics were taken 2 years ago.
     

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  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    thats not your ms60 pocket coin?
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That coin stopped being MS within days.
     
  18. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Wonder what it weighs in at now , any idea ?
    rzage
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Spec is 33.931, this one is 33.64 tonight.
     
  20. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    GD , What would you grade it ?
    rzage:D
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Quite honestly, there are no standards for these things in grades that low. But I'd say VG10 - F12.
     
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