1893 S Authenticity Help

Hi,
I recently came across this coin for sale. I wanted to know if it appears authentic. Also if it appears cleaned and what approximate grade it would be. I am fairly new to coins and really appreciate the help! Thank you

 

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The king of Morgans? That’s a 5 figure coin if real.

 

Texture looks all wrong to me, and it's highly unlikely you would find a coin like that raw. What's the asking price?

 

This is just me. I wouldn't even think about buying that coin. The photos are very deceiving. The details that need to be seen are washed out. Nothing about the surfaces look correct. I suspect that it is a fake, and yes improperly cleaned.

 

Agree with other comments. It almost looks like an 1883 S changed to a 1893 S. The detail in the pictures scare me.

 

Most veteran collectors will always ask themselves, "Why hasn't this key date coin already been certified?" Usually, the answer is that it can't be certified. Think about it! ~ Chris

 

Harshly cleaned, and the pictures aren't good enough to check the diagnostics for a genuine 93S, like the die scratch in the T.

The alignment of the 1 in the date over the dentical looks close to correct for whatever that's worth.

 

Not worth looking at. Highly damaged. Scrubbed to death. What a shame.

 

Read every word found in here:
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1893-S_VAMs

 

It seems the CT consensus is to avoid this coin.

 

Yeah! What is the asking price?

 

Price is $4750. Thank you everyone for the advice!

 

That should be your first hint that something is not right with it.

 

For that date, yes!

 

Not to hijack, this thread had me looking at sold listings on EBay...looks like someone listed an 1893S NGC Fine details Morgan yesterday for $36.99 plus shipping....yes it's sold already.

 

As far as the OP's coin, IF big IF it's genuine, I don't think the price is too far out of line for a cleaned XF40 (my thinking) for this date/mint. Many would prefer a lower grade but problem free example. JMHO

 

Same place, prices all over the place, most of what I saw were 'details.'

 

@HS556 You seem to be interested in Morgans. You should get a copy of any publication dealing with this subject before you dive into this area. Spur of the moment decisions could cost you big-league.

 

Take a look at the “T” in “LIBERTY” with a strong(10x) glass. If it has a raised line running through it, it might be genuine. If not, forget it.

The picture is overexposed which makes the coin looked cleaned, which might be the case. This coin is not rare in the circulated grades. When I was a dealer, a specialist dealer had nine of them in grades ranging from VG to AU, all certified at a regional show.

My advice is NEVER buy this coin uncertified over the Internet. This is a “rare date” in the Morgan Dollar set, but in the circulated grades, it’s not rare at all.